Quiz: Draw dead preflip with AA

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Phil your solution allows the Aces to win 34 times.

[rchandra]

So now we finally have the solution to "when should you muck AA preflop?" When you have a clear read on each opponent (marked cards to get such a read?) and they have those cards. I recommend folding faceup.

Yes, 12-handed games aren't common. But wasn't WSOP 11-handed at the start? Could be 12-handed next year.

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Phil your solution allows the Aces to win 34 times.

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+ any remaining diamond-heart couple = 12 hand total.

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Two dimes won't calculate it with the extra hand included

[wrestler_118]

I counted 22050 different ways to for AA to be drawing dead (against 11 opponents):

AdAh will be drawing dead if:

Opponent 1 = KdKh
Opponent 2 = 7d7h
Opponent 3 = AsAc
Opponents 4,5,6 and 7 = any combo of Qs and 6s (105 ways)
*Opponents 8,9,10 and 11 = any combo of JdTd9d8d5h4h3h2h (105 ways)
OR
Opponents 8,9,10 and 11 = any combo of JhTh9h8h5d4d3d2d (105 ways)

105 x 105 x 2 = 22050

Think I got them all.

Matt

[wrestler_118]

just looked a PlasticHats solution. There are many times more possible combinations. But I am too tired to count.

Matt

[samscott17]

Hi,
For the AA to be drawing dead, you would have to have the other two aces out(stops you hitting the set or four of a kind). KK and KK out as well(stops the top straight). 22 and 22 out(stops the bottom straight).
Then each of your aces suits say hearts and diamonds, all the hearts and all the diamonds bar 3 of each suit have to be dead.(no flushes available for your aces)
This still does not mean you are drawing dead, as say 333 on the board gives you a full house.
So left in the pack(unseen cards)You cannot have any 2 of the same( 4 and 4) you cannot have five of any suit.
I work it out that you could have something like 3c4c5h6d8c9s10hJdQs left, but you are still not finished. As you could hit five on the board to hit the straight.
To stop this happening remove the 9 and 6 or 7 or 10(you choose) by my calculations for the AA to be drawing completely dead you need only the 3c4c5h7h8c10hJdQs left in the pack.
I am probably completely wrong here, but hey I usually am.
It was fun removing almost every card in the pack.
Sam Scott