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#11
11-03-2005, 02:40 AM
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Re: table talk ethics
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[ QUOTE ] We're funny about things in the UK. Speech play of any kind is not allowed during a hand. [/ QUOTE ] Where do you play, Currylover? I haven't found this to be the case in UK casino tournaments nor in home games. But you may be playing at higher stakes than me or in a different city perhaps? [/ QUOTE ] I play mainly in Manchester, Blackpool and Sheffield. Like I said, some players do try speech play and often get away with it. However, it is generally frowned upon whereas in the US a lot of the table talk is considered 'part of the game'. I know that in some games (usually bigger games) a player's hand is declared dead if he engages in any speech play at all. And these rules are strictly enforced. A friend of mine once had his hand disqualified because he asked "what game are we playing?" in the middle of a hand during a high stakes dealer's choice game. Others may correct me, but in the US many types of speech play are considered 'part of the game' that, in the UK, would be considered highly unethical, possibly cheating (and may lead to a hand being disqualified in card rooms that do what they say they will). Examples might be: Betting with a flush and saying "I want to find out who has the flush" Betting on a AAA flop and stating "let's see if anyone has the A" Stating "I know I'm behind, but I call" when you flop the nuts. My personal opinion is that players should just play their hands and not comment at all apart from to ask clarification questions like "how much money have you got left in your stack?" or "how much is it to me?". All of this nonsense like asking your opponent what he has when contemplating a call is at the very least ungentlemanly. But then, that's my cultural bias - in other countries such things would be considered completely acceptable. 
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#12
11-03-2005, 04:31 AM
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Re: table talk ethics
I think aaron brown nailed this one. well said.
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#15
11-03-2005, 08:44 PM
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Re: table talk ethics
For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the famous Poker player who said something to the effect, "Table talk is essential to Poker. Somewhere they may play a silent game with five cards and chips and pairs and flushes, but they shouldn't call it Poker. That name's taken." Google was no help.
I only play in London, where things used to be much more polite and careful. These days there's no difference from the US. You even here traces of Texas and California accents in the Poker terms. I can't speak for other cities.
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#16
11-03-2005, 08:48 PM
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Re: table talk ethics
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In the OP's 3rd situation, suppose 1st player leads out and 2nd player says, "I know you're bluffing! Someone has to call that." Then he folds. Is that ethical? [/ QUOTE ] It's certainly harmless, although he may get punched if it really is a bluff and it gets called. I would judge it okay, because the comment is made before the fold; also because it is clearly only an opinion rather than a statement based on private cards; and because it is belied by his actions. If I were counsel for the prosecution, I would argue that it is wrong because it implies strongly that he's holding two low cards, which could affect other people's play, and that he knew he was going to fold when he made the comment so he should be treated as out of the hand.
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#17
11-04-2005, 02:18 AM
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Re: table talk ethics (NC)
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By the way inethical isn't a word. The word you are looking for is Unethical [/ QUOTE ] It's a perfectly cromulent word.
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#18
11-04-2005, 10:06 AM
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Re: table talk ethics
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in general, how do you feel about player's talking about hands, reads, etc. in the middle of a multi-way pot? some specific situations below... pot is multi-way on the flop and it's checked to the button who starts reaching for chips; the BB says "don't bet, you'll regret it" and indeed the button ends up checking; ethical, unethical, or unclear? pot is three-handed on the turn and it's checked to the button who bets; before the first player can act the button says "careful, you're gonna get check-raise if you call"; ethical, unethical, or unclear? four-handed on the river, and the first player leads out; the next player says "you're bluffing" and calls; ethical, unethical, or unclear? [/ QUOTE ] Who gives a [censored]? I don't.
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