My turn to misplay KQ

[pooh74]

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I am really serious here, I can not believe there are justifications here for folding or calling. Folding seems better than calling, but both options are absolutely horrible when compared to raising.

I want a serious explanation for why limping (OPEN LIMPING ON THE BUTTON HERE?) is a viable option. I also want a range of hands you'll do this with. I also want an explanation for why you dont raise here. I didnt read this entire thread through, but I am seriously in shock.

Open limping on the button really has no place in a sng past maybe level 2. I never do it.

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Well, here's something to think about Strassa...

There are situations, even in a SNG, where a play that is difficult to exploit will still have an even better alternative.

Everybody knows that aggressive late position play and blind pressure is a winning tactic... and the later in a SNG you are, the better the tactic is.

BUT, there are many situations against many players where seeing a flop with position can be more profitable than blind stealing. This is an example in my opinion. The SB has a lot of chips, and the BB is getting a bit desperate and tired of the whole deal. There is a big range of hands with which they would be willing to take a flop against you, and KQ plays well in unraised pots with position (if you are a good post flop player.) You can still steal the blinds on the turn if you want to. But you can also extract extra chips from a whole host of possible postflop developments because of the chip situation. The SB is going to trap with any type of good hand because he knows that one of you is likely to take a stab at this. That makes it easy to play against him for value if he leads out. The BB will certainly push with second pair, or a matching pair with you and worse kicker. That could be cool.

So, my point isn't that you should limp. But I'm sure that I should limp, and to say that playing post flop with chips, against a shortish stack and another player with chips in a No-limit structure is "absolutely horrible" demonstrates a hole in understanding about no limit holdem and what can happen after the flop.

You don't have to agree with me... but to discount my explanation altogether is to ignore an entire component of no limit play that could, at some point, come in handy... even in a SNG.

Irieguy

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I said above i didnt think a limp was as "horrible" as ppl were saying...but, how do you balance the limp, and the value you can extract from it with the times sb calls and BB pushes...it seems to me this is a very common scenario and if i have SB pegged as agressive im not limping, if he got that stack with a huge hand and played tightly otherwise, i might limp.

U gotta fear the squeeze here...this is classic case of caught between ss an bs.

Or do you think at this level this isnt to be worried about as much yet?

[curtains]

I gotta be honest, I don't think the chances are so good that the BB is just going to go allin if you raise (or limp). I'd say with maybe at most 10% of hands, possibly a bit more, but not by much.

[Voltron87]

I called Dr Dre and he says KQ on the button is real gangster. He says only a little bitch folds KQ on button. He added anyone who goes allin for 10BB is also a snitch with no game.