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#81
10-27-2005, 01:58 PM
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Re: 50-100 hand
I think it's a little different than that. In this hand, what rivers do I really want to see with my hand? The money behind is less than a pot sized bet with the raise that went in. There's about 3600 already in the center, and I'm more than happy to win that there. Also keep in mind that I'm pushing other hands as well. Frankly, I think the raise that KKF made commits his money in the pot on the river, barring the exact card that came down (and probably an A). If I get called, then I'm gonna get busted, but at least I don't set myself up to get bluffed on the end. With the money a little shallower, this is the clear play. With the money deeper, it's not. If my choice is wrong, it can't be wrong by much.
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#83
10-27-2005, 02:22 PM
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Re: 50-100 hand
On that board, with a player as tough as GoG, why not? If the judgement is so tough on this hand from afar, how are you intending to make a good decision at the table?
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#84
10-27-2005, 03:24 PM
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Re: 50-100 hand
I think you give up significant EV by pushing with that kind of overbet. Sure, it saves you a potential tough decision, but if you're giving up that kind of EV to make your decisions easier, time to pick a different game. Which, you (and I - this is precisely why I rarely play SH big-big games) have, so I think we agree.
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#85
10-27-2005, 03:33 PM
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Re: 50-100 hand
CAn someone tell me why a turn c/r AI is not being seriously considered here? I mean, he should bet after calling a pot sized flop bet and we can rep the made straight by pushing? Wouldn't the fold equity plus odds to made hand be +EV?
Maybe there is some reason this is obviously wrong--if so somebody please explain... Thanks
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#87
10-27-2005, 03:48 PM
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Re: 50-100 hand
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From the first and second replies to this thread: Yeti: Did you consider shoving the turn? GoG: Yes, but I don't think it would have worked often enough. [/ QUOTE ] That is not what paco is saying. bet-3bet != check-raise.
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#89
10-27-2005, 04:11 PM
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Re: 50-100 hand
You're saying that in most cases bet-3-bet is equivalent to a turn c/r? Don't you think your fold equity would go down with a bet-3-bet (fattening up the pot more)?
Although I think KKF would have to give more credit to a b3b, and guess there's still plenty of chips left to make the 3b multiples of the pot. Would a c/r be superior when money is not as deep?
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#90
10-27-2005, 04:18 PM
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Re: 50-100 hand
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You're saying that in most cases bet-3-bet is equivalent to a turn c/r? [/ QUOTE ] No, he's saying that a bet/3-bet is NOT equivalent to a turn c/r. Personally, I think that a c/r all in would have been a strong option, but I don't know why nobody has considered it yet.
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