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Old 12-15-2005, 09:19 AM
sfer sfer is offline
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Default Big street decision

20/40 Borgata, 10 handed. I raise interracial KK UTG, folds to the BB who scans the table quickly and calls.

Flop is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5x 3x. Check, bet, call.

Turn is the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Check, bet, checkraise. He's one of few players at the table capable capable of making this raise on the turn with a hand I beat. Should I raise now or call and raise a blankish river and why?
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Old 12-15-2005, 09:24 AM
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I'd 3 bet the turn. It's hard to win less with that line, but if a scary river card comes off he may check and foil your plan.
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Old 12-15-2005, 09:28 AM
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Default Re: Big street decision

raise now...he could be making a move with a flush draw or some straight draw, or a hand that you are just flat out beating, which means its time to collect some bets while you still can.

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Old 12-15-2005, 09:49 AM
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mr. daver,

he may have a 9, a lower pp or may be semibluffing with a heart draw or gutshot. i would like a raise now. especially given your read.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: Big street decision

If you 3-bet and he caps, and the river does not improve your hand, do you call a river bet? What if the river is a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:50 PM
Rico Suave Rico Suave is offline
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Default Re: Big street decision

Sfer:

I lean toward a flat call on the turn and a call/raise on the river.

--If he has a made hand like a pocket pair or a nine, then will he not likely fold to a 3 bet? And you really would rather let him see the river and collect that extra bet when he only has 2 outs.

--If he picked up a heart draw, don't you think that the times he whiffs, he is still going to lead the river often? If so, you will collect the same amount when you are ahead and stay ahead, but lose more when he hits.

--If he has a 5 I guess it is a wash if you plan on raising the river on a blank....but it depends on what you do if he caps the turn when you 3-bet and what you do when he 3-bets the river when you wait.

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Old 12-15-2005, 03:55 PM
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Raise now, if he calls then just call him down on the river if he bets again, regardless of whether a heart comes up. If he checks on the river, it's a hard decision as to whether to bet into this. Most people would say, statistically, it's a no brainer. I say, fine, it's a no brainer, bet, if he raises you just call though.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:58 PM
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Shant's question is special - I'd say this is a question of feel and table image, really. If player is aggro and is capable of four betting to try to pick you off on the river (that's a rare aggro), well, call, call. If not, you may laydown the river, though even this is very hard. Gotta raise the turn though, get price in if he's on a draw.

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Old 12-15-2005, 04:21 PM
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River raise and fold to a 3bet. Getting capped on the turn really sucks.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:32 PM
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when you say interracial kings does this mean you have the K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]? because that makes the biggest difference in the world.
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