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Old 11-11-2005, 01:52 AM
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Default One of those common situations

Hey y'all,

pretty simple one but I am unsure about it.

Party 10/20. LAG limps UTG, typical player limps in CO, I check in BB with 45o.

flop comes K53, I bet and the LAG raises. see you at showdown?

EDIT: CO folds to LAGs flop raise. if he does not, then I call and do not call again if the CO calls again.
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: One of those common situations

I would usually call the raise and check-fold UI against a slightly LAGgy player. Is this horrible?

(If he's a major LAGtard, then it's see you at the showdown)
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:06 AM
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Default Re: One of those common situations

yeah this is an annoying situation which I wonder about too.

Its one of the situations that is easy to decide based on mood- if your slightly steaming you see showdown, if you're running really good you see showdown, if you're inbetween you lay it down...

This is not the correct way to decide the course of action, I'm just saying even its easy to subconsiouly proceed.

As far as the optimal play, I am unsure. would like to hear more on this thread.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:22 AM
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Default Re: One of those common situations

checking this flop with the intention of folding is also ok in these aggressive games when you have 2 players to follow, 1 who is LAG.

I think I just lay this down but, whilst it's common to get raised here I don't think it's such a problem that you can't usually take it down + sometimes when you are raised you call with a draw and fold the turn, but other times you call the raise and CR the turn with a monster. So your play is fairly balanced. Often against pretty bad players I bet this flop with any 2 cards above 5 (with 2 other players I mean).
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:23 AM
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Default Re: One of those common situations

Unless he's been taking shots at me, no, I fold.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:54 AM
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This is one of those situations in which calling/folding is completely turn and river dependant.

How LAGgy is the LAG? If he's something like 50/45 or 39/37, you should seriously consider check/mucking the flop even if you had top pair.
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Old 11-11-2005, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: One of those common situations

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This is one of those situations in which calling/folding is completely turn and river dependant.

How LAGgy is the LAG? If he's something like 50/45 or 39/37, you should seriously consider check/mucking the flop even if you had top pair.

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Explain mucking a pair of Kings on this board.
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Old 11-11-2005, 04:21 AM
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This is one of those situations in which calling/folding is completely turn and river dependant.

How LAGgy is the LAG? If he's something like 50/45 or 39/37, you should seriously consider check/mucking the flop even if you had top pair.

[/ QUOTE ]

Explain mucking a pair of Kings on this board.

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Note the bold in quotes.

Over a substantial number of hands, players with stats like that don't limp preflop. The small difference between VPIP and PFR is made up of:

95% from the blinds (completing SB and checking BB option)
5% from limping with AA or KK.
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Old 11-11-2005, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: One of those common situations

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checking this flop with the intention of folding is also ok

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i don't know about this. you have some of a very ragged board. I think even most LAGs would just fold instead of trying to call you down here. You are ahead most of the time. Easy bet IMO.

Also, this texture of board is a great one to bluff at. I think you should frequently be betting almost every hand here first to act in the blinds.
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