50/100 Boat??

[Allinlife]

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Big pairs are fairly likely holdings for Hero, from villians perspective.

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He raised preflop, c-bet, then checked turn in 4 handed game.

I didn't say evanski was the barometer for the game, though he is probably better than average 50/100 player. still, I think it's fair to say that 50/100 players are far more likely to put opponents in tough situations like this.

[Ulysses]

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bb is

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The answer to this depends almost completely on who bb is.

[lapoker17]

I probably fold.

But I think I would check that flop.

[morgant]

hello El D!!!

bb = chickenfinger

[Big_Jim]

Oops, thought it was re-raised PF.

Regardless... I still think it's a fold without a read.

[kagame]

anytime anyone makes a bet like this im ecstatic to get away so cheaply

[riverboatking]

this is impossible to answer without a read on the BB.
i know for a fact that this is exactly how i would play a Queen in this spot...but that means very little...

[amoeba]

if you had a Q in this spot, wouldn't it make more sense to value bet the river? JJ and maybe TT will call, AA and maybe KK will raise.

I don't see the big advantage of pushing unless if you are commonly bluffing these types of rivers here.

If you're right, then you're wrong

[riverboatking]

ok so we can rule out AA and KK i think because of the UTG limper who the BB has to think is likely to call once he does, and its no fun playing AA/KK out of position in a multi-way pot w/deep stacks.

more likely holdings are AK/AQ/AJ suited, QQ-22 and suited connectors (remember he's got to believe there is a good chance this pot will be multi-way due to the UTG limper).

now on the flop he check calls...do you have a habit of continuation betting when you miss the flop or do you frequently check behind w/hands like AK heads up when you miss the flop to try and control pot size?
ie:what range of hands is BB likely to put you on based on the flop bet (which begs the question...what range of hands does your preflop raise indicate? is this a standard raise from you and what range of hands will you raise after a limper?)

i think we can safely rule out suited connectors (besides something like 56,67) however depending on what he interprets your flop bet as, AK and all pocket pairs are still viable options for him to call with.

but if he knows you, and knows that you will often fire multiple barrels with weak holdings he will be less likely to call the flop w/out a queen because he's not going to get a cheap showdown.
against players who will only fire one barrel and then shut down if called, its very easy to call on this kind of flop with a hand like 67 or 88, because you know you won't have to call big bets on the turn and/or river.
however against an aggressive player who won't just give up after getting called on the flop (which you find alot at the 50-100 level) its much harder to call with those marginal hands out of position.

so now please enlighten us as to which kind of player the BB views you as. does he think if he calls the flop he'll get to showdown cheaply...or is he trying to trap you with his Queen knowing that you're an aggressive player who'll probably fire big on the turn.

if you don't have a habit of continuation betting i think there is a very small range of hands he'll call the flop with.
however you'd probably make the same bet with any pocket pair on that flop then shut down on the turn after being called so you really haven't managed to define his hand.

on the river he is sure making it seem like he's got the queen...however now we're right back to where we started...needing reads on both his play and your table image.

just a suggestion, it might have made the hand easier to play if you check the flop.
when you raise preflop, bet the flop, then check the turn you make it very difficult on the river.
now against a habitual bluffer its a great play, however with a marginal hand it leaves you in a tough spot.

i know most people are overly concerned with "protecting your hand" but i think when playing with deep stacks its more important to protect your stack and by betting the flop and checking the turn you have put your entire stack in jeopardy.

i know i haven't given you a clear cut "call, or fold" answer that you were looking for, because i don't think anyone can do that.

i just wanted to present another way of thinking about the hand from start to finish.

hope it was helpful.