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Old 04-08-2005, 03:07 PM
InfernoLL InfernoLL is offline
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Default Check-raised w/ 2nd pair and seeing a showdown

MP is something like 50/15 but has been playing back at me a lot.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (5.40 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB

I realize folding to the turn check-raise would have been a decent play, but I felt like he would have check-raised the flop with an A. Combined with how he had been playing, I decided to call down. Comments?
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: Check-raised w/ 2nd pair and seeing a showdown

you would need some pretty compelling reasons to call down here.
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: Check-raised w/ 2nd pair and seeing a showdown

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you would need some pretty compelling reasons to call down here.

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some chook whos been taking shots at you is a pretty compelling reason. This hand didnt happen in the vacuum of space, given the info provided....I like it.
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Old 04-08-2005, 06:26 PM
ReadyEddie ReadyEddie is offline
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Default Re: Check-raised w/ 2nd pair and seeing a showdown

What do you guys think about folding the river when those draws come in?
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Old 04-08-2005, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: Check-raised w/ 2nd pair and seeing a showdown

Looks ok based on ur read. If i see a river Im seeing a showdown. For peace of mind, and notes.

-Mike
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Old 04-08-2005, 08:51 PM
InfernoLL InfernoLL is offline
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Default Re: Check-raised w/ 2nd pair and seeing a showdown

Do you think it's likely that he would wait until the turn to jam his flush draw? Also, nothing about the play indicates a straight draw, but I'm not sure anything would.

I might have folded for both these reasons if I had spent more time thinking about it, and if I wasn't extremely suspiscious of his previous play. I lay this down easily against a solid or uncreative player.
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Old 04-08-2005, 11:58 PM
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Default Re: Check-raised w/ 2nd pair and seeing a showdown

Check the turn and induce a bluff on the river.
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Old 04-09-2005, 01:59 AM
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Default Re: Check-raised w/ 2nd pair and seeing a showdown

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Check the turn and induce a bluff on the river.

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Easily the best move in this spot.
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Old 04-09-2005, 04:37 AM
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Default Re: Check-raised w/ 2nd pair and seeing a showdown

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Check the turn and induce a bluff on the river.

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Easily the best move in this spot.

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agree 100%. you're not gonna cost yourself the pot by giving a free card, any hand that he is drawing live with he is calling the turn with. you will occasionaly miss a bet with a hand he would have called twice with but that should be made up for by all the bluff you pick off on the river that he'd have folded to a turn bet.

when you can see the checkraise coming a mile away, and you dont welcome it, just check it through and call the river.
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