Calling allin from mp with 84s - Page 2

shejk · #11 05-22-2005, 06:01 PM

utg isn't allin, I think the bb will fold as much as if utg pushed, especially since he cannot expect fe with a push over the top.

shejk · #12 05-22-2005, 06:03 PM

I'm not giving utg much credit.

microbet · #13 05-22-2005, 08:50 PM

Yes, no one else calling gives him better odds of winning the hand, but worse pot odds.

I still fold.

microbet · #14 05-22-2005, 08:51 PM

What difference does that make?

Bigwig · #15 05-22-2005, 08:55 PM

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It is quite likely that noone else calls

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You sure about that? The raise is a mini. I understand the idea of getting protection from an earlier raiser when your fold equity is gone, but I want something to play with here. J9s, K4o. Anything. 84s is nothing. The odds are overwhelming that at best you're 2-1 dog.

NYCNative · #16 05-22-2005, 08:56 PM

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I'm not giving utg much credit.

[/ QUOTE ]That's too bad. If he's got crap like Q8 you're dominated. You'd rather he have two big unpaired cards. Better still would be a pair of 3s.

microbet · #17 05-22-2005, 08:58 PM

That a bit of an assumption that his min-raise will have so much FE.

If he pushed, it would be different. It is an interesting concept, and something I haven't thought of before.

NYCNative · #18 05-22-2005, 08:59 PM

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It is quite likely that noone else calls

[/ QUOTE ]BB should call no matter what he has. It's only 300 more into an 1900 pot that he's already in for 300. Even if he figures himself at only about a 15% shot to win it, it's still a smart move to call, I believe.