All the cool kids are doing it

scotty34 · #1 09-30-2005, 04:43 PM

Villain in this hand is 70/10/2. I have a note on him saying he called down with KQo unimproved after 3-betting PF and facing agression on each street.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (6.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises

Yes?

MoDOH · #2 09-30-2005, 05:31 PM

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Villain in this hand is 70/10/2. I have a note on him saying he called down with KQo unimproved after 3-betting PF and facing agression on each street.

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That would make it more of a bet than a CR opportuniy don´t you think?

slik · #3 09-30-2005, 05:32 PM

going for the check raise on the river instead of just betting depends on villains aggression. i think there is too strong a chance he'll check behind if you go for the check raise, but will call with a wider range of hands if you bet. so i'd bet with a higher frequency than going for the check raise.

scotty34 · #4 09-30-2005, 05:38 PM

With 70% VPIP and 2% AF, I think that qualifies as being aggressive. I'm pretty sure he would bet any pair, and would call with as poor as A high. He would probably bet as a bluff too, and call the C/R out of spite to see what I had.

GetThere1Time · #5 09-30-2005, 05:39 PM

I can dig it. 2 AF is a pretty large number for a guy with 70 VPIP

#6 09-30-2005, 05:44 PM

Bet. He's slightly aggressive, but your note said he likes to call. Who knows, he might even raise you.

GetThere1Time · #7 09-30-2005, 05:58 PM

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Bet. He's slightly aggressive, but your note said he likes to call. Who knows, he might even raise you.

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2 AF is a super high number for a guy with a VPIP of 70 so he's probably always going to bet when checked to and check behind on the river, like, never. The question is whether you sexy him or bet/3-bet him. I think a sexy is best though considering even a total LAG would have trouble popping the river when the innocuous 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] peels off, but he's still probably going to bet and call a raise with anything he calls the river with. Plus you make an extra bet when he bluffs.

#8 09-30-2005, 06:03 PM

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Bet. He's slightly aggressive, but your note said he likes to call. Who knows, he might even raise you.

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2 AF is a super high number for a guy with a VPIP of 70 so he's probably always going to bet when checked to and check behind on the river, like, never. The question is whether you sexy him or bet/3-bet him. I think a sexy is best though considering even a total LAG would have trouble popping the river when the innocuous 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] peels off, but he's still probably going to bet and call a raise with anything he calls the river with. Plus you make an extra bet when he bluffs.

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I'm not so sure the OP's stats on him are accurate or enough in sample size. He called for 3 streets in that hand with the note and called 2 streets already this hand. Even as a 70, it's hard to maintain a 2.0 factor doing that much calling. I'm biased though because IMO the sexy is over-rated.

#9 09-30-2005, 06:12 PM

i think this is a bad time for sexy. lots of weak pairs and A-highs on this board are just trying to get to SD cheaply. especially, with your read on the villain, bleh.

edit: as a side question, is this preflop raise standard for everyone? i dunno, that looks pretty thin to me.

#10 09-30-2005, 06:15 PM

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I'm biased though because IMO the sexy is over-rated.

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agreed. there are sooooo many calling stations in this game that are so loose it's almost impossible to put them on a hand. like button in OP's hand, he coldcalled preflop, called the flop and called the turn, the board is 8 high. what are you putting him on? his range is ridiculous. why give them the chance to check behind their crap when they're waiting to call?