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Old 12-21-2005, 02:04 AM
MadMat MadMat is offline
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Default I hate KTo - and this one is really ugly

I seem to keep getting myself in trouble with the weaker offsuit broadways - heres a good example!

MP1 44/14/2.5 but only had about 30 hands on him at this point,

I put him on flush draw after the flop as I thought the 14 PFR meant he'd have raised any 2 big cards. Then I got confused as he didn't bet when I thought he'd hit!



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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (8.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:08 AM
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Default Re: I hate KTo - and this one is really ugly

Bet the river at least. You'll get paid off by K's with lower kickers, will rarely be c/r'd, and might even squeak out some ugly calls with 99ish or A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] type hands.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:08 AM
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Default Re: I hate KTo - and this one is really ugly

This is a pretty bad preflop call.

I'd fold if MP1 had bet the turn.

Since you're here, bet the river.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: I hate KTo - and this one is really ugly

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This is a pretty bad preflop call.

I'd fold if MP1 had bet the turn.

Since you're here, bet the river.

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No it isn't, he's up against three people, and one is a slightly OOP Poster so he could have ANYTHING, and is probably a weaker player due to posting OOP.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: I hate KTo - and this one is really ugly

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No it isn't,

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I'm gonna stick by this one; the preflop call is not one I would make. With 5 limpers maybe, or with KJ+ I'm raising, but KTo hits the muck here every time for me.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:17 AM
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Default Re: I hate KTo - and this one is really ugly

bet the river, but I suspect it's a w/t afraid of the flush. Bet it tho.
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:21 AM
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preflop call is sooo not questionable
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:21 AM
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No it isn't,

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I'm gonna stick by this one; the preflop call is not one I would make. With 5 limpers maybe, or with KJ+ I'm raising, but KTo hits the muck here every time for me.

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these are two broadway cards. they have some value multiway in an unraised pot
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:24 AM
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Default Re: I hate KTo - and this one is really ugly

Limping with KTo on the button is straight out of SSH, but its one of the bits of SSH that I'm starting to question!

Just what are we looking to hit playing weak offsuit broadways in multiway pots? if we hit a K we have kicker problems, if we hit a T we are vulnerable to overcards on turn / river, and hitting the straight is a very longshot!

Interested to hear what other people do with the weaker offsuit broadways here!

Mat
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Old 12-21-2005, 02:27 AM
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Default Re: I hate KTo - and this one is really ugly

&lt;grunch&gt; You put him on a flush draw with him 3 betting the flop and not betting out on the turn. I think he puts you on the flush draw. My guess is he has KJs, or small set.
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