Yet another Poll: Blinds

[uuDevil]

The question at hand is:

How much do winning players lose in the blinds? [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

If you are a winning player at $.5/1 or $1/2 and have PokerTracker, please open the Ring Game Player Statistics window, Position Stats tab and look at the BB Won/Hand column and BB, SB rows. Note these values, then take the poll below.

A little background:

From the PokerRoom EV Stats, and assuming I calculated it correctly, an average (losing) player loses about .22 big bets in the BB and about .16 big bets in the SB. Now, I realize that it takes many hands to accurately determine win rate by position, and even the data collected here may not represent a significant number of hands, but I'd still like to see the numbers.

[EliteNinja]

This is a cool poll.
Keep the results coming.

[sin808]

huh....no poll options for my #'s. This is only over 10k hands so I'm guessing there's a sample size issue.

SB (.05)
BB 0.00

[imported_smoove]

11,184 hands. BB: (.20). SB: (.10). I feel so...slightly better than average.

[JoshuaD]

21,000 hands of .5/1 and 1/2. In BB I've got -.06 BBWon/Hand, in SB I've got -.09 BBWon/Hand.

Are these numbers irregularly low?

[Lurker4]

39k hands at .5/1, 1/2, and 2/4, around two-thirds at .5/1 and 1/2. (.12) for SB and (.18) for BB. looks about average/a bit higher than average.

[uuDevil]

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huh....no poll options for my #'s. This is only over 10k hands so I'm guessing there's a sample size issue.

SB (.05)
BB 0.00

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Thanks for posting your numbers anyway. You are breaking even in the BB after 10,000 hands-- that's amazing.

I didn't make the ranges wide enough. I knew to expect large variance, but I'm still surprised. I should have estimated it first-- good thing I'm not a statistician. I'm especially surprised by the points at the high end. Those values are more than are being lost by the average player at Pokerroom, who is losing about 3 BB/100 hands!

About all I hope for is to be able to see where the middle of the distribution is. In a few days I may take what I learn here and go bug the guys in SS. I would expect the distribution there to be a little tighter.

[sin808]

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Thanks for posting your numbers anyway. You are breaking even in the BB after 10,000 hands-- that's amazing.


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It is pretty crazy. I thought it might just be that I'm catching great cards but the distribution seems pretty similar to other positions. I don't know, I can only assume it's a statistical anamoly, since I'm pretty sure I don't play THAT well post flop. My folded BB to steal is only 67.65% which seems alot lower than most. Maybe I'm defending too much and getting lucky.

[uuDevil]

With just 24 data points, variance seems to be larger in the BB. This makes sense since we get to play more loosely than in the SB.

Here are values I calculated for all positions from the Pokerroom EV stats (10 seated, units are big bets/hand):

SB -.160
BB -.223
UTG -.035
UTG+1 .000
UTG+2 .010
MP1 .012
MP2 .019
MP3 .021
CO .032
BTN .035

The average player, losing about 3 BB/100 hands overall, is actually losing money only in the blinds and UTG. As you'd expect, winnings increase as position improves.

[uuDevil]

Probably last bump. Thanks to everyone who took the trouble.

This may not be news, but here are some general thoughts:

Nearly half of the hands we play are out of the blinds, so a large portion of our overall results is determined by our results in these positions.

The variance in the blinds is relatively high because we play these hands relatively loosely, passively, and with the least amount of information.

For these reasons, if a good player has a long bad (or good) streak, much of it is likely to be due to how lucky or unlucky he has been in the blinds.