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11-17-2005, 12:38 PM
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Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
First hand in a new underground casino. It's a converted apartment.
Playing 1/2NL Table is 9 handed. I'm not so sure about playing underground casinos. I'd really rather be in a home game. But then I see the dealer is a really cute asian chick. mmmmmm. I buy in short $40 to test the waters. Everyone has me covered. If I do well I plan to buy in full. The only seat is in the hijack (MP3) to the right of a very experienced player (he played with Daniel Negreanu when he was learing in Toronto). I recognize 2 loose players at the table. (neither of them is in this hand) Blinds are 1/2. 1 limper in MP1 and folded to me, I see TT and raise to $8. Experienced player in CU folds and the button calls, SB folds and BB calls, limper calls. 4 players to the flop. Disaster! What do you do? I didn't want to see this much action. I want my pocket TT to be against either 1 player(value) or 5+(set value). Three or Four callers is the worst situation for TT (can you see why?) I wish I had bet 5+bb or called. Pot $33. Flop J63r Flop texture looks ok. No A or K or Q. If someone has a J he's go me killed. BB checks MP1 checks What would you do here? One overcard to your pair. What is the most likely hand for the button? Middle pair? AQ? AJ? KQ? I decide to continuation bet. 2 players have checked and will probably fold. I don't know about the button. How much should I bet. If I bet half the pot $16 I get 2:1 on my money. Then I could go all in on the turn if a safe card appears. That's the smart thing to do. But my stack is now only $32. I curse buying in short. Betting $16 will tempt good hands to put me all in anyways and I'd be getting 4:1 to call so... I go all in (raise $32). Button calls, BB folds, MP1 folds. Please criticize my play. 
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11-17-2005, 12:45 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
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[ QUOTE ] next time you might want to buy-in in full or push preflop. [/ QUOTE ] You would bet 20BB preflop on TT? [/ QUOTE ] not really, but considering youre most likely going to see overcards on this flop, it's not exactly the best hand to play postflop with a shortstack.
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#5
11-17-2005, 12:46 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
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next time you might want to buy-in in full or push preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. I think buying in short was your biggest mistake. With a short stack you severely limit your arsenal in this situation.
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#6
11-17-2005, 12:46 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
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[ QUOTE ] next time you might want to buy-in in full or push preflop. [/ QUOTE ] You would bet 20BB preflop on TT? [/ QUOTE ] i wouldn't make a standard bet that begs to be multiway in a live game that happens to be 1/5 of my stack.
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#7
11-17-2005, 12:48 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] next time you might want to buy-in in full or push preflop. [/ QUOTE ] You would bet 20BB preflop on TT? [/ QUOTE ] not really, but considering youre most likely going to see overcards on this flop, it's not exactly the best hand to play postflop with a shortstack. [/ QUOTE ] Well, can we agree that betting say 7BB with TT in this situation is better? derick
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#8
11-17-2005, 12:51 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] next time you might want to buy-in in full or push preflop. [/ QUOTE ] You would bet 20BB preflop on TT? [/ QUOTE ] not really, but considering youre most likely going to see overcards on this flop, it's not exactly the best hand to play postflop with a shortstack. [/ QUOTE ] Well, can we agree that betting say 7BB with TT in this situation is better? derick [/ QUOTE ] yeah i think it would force more people out of the hand, but i still hate playing TT postflop with a shortstack and not be guaranteed to be HU.
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#9
11-17-2005, 12:55 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
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Well, can we agree that betting say 7BB with TT in this situation is better? derick [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but know that you're putting the rest in on this flop and hoping for folds. Thats why short stacks suck.
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#10
11-17-2005, 12:58 PM
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Why buy in Short.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] next time you might want to buy-in in full or push preflop. [/ QUOTE ] You would bet 20BB preflop on TT? [/ QUOTE ] not really, but considering youre most likely going to see overcards on this flop, it's not exactly the best hand to play postflop with a shortstack. [/ QUOTE ] Well, can we agree that betting say 7BB with TT in this situation is better? derick [/ QUOTE ] yeah i think it would force more people out of the hand, but i still hate playing TT postflop with a shortstack and not be guaranteed to be HU. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with all the arguments put forward as to why short stack play hobbles you. But I bought in short. Why? 1. New *underground* casino. I'm not saying that it's crooked. I'm just saying I don't know. 2. I consider myself able to hold my own playing a shortstack Ed Miller style. 3. I recognized 2 loose players. The fodder of correct short stack play. 4. I usually buy in short, test things, make observations *then* go kill the game. Do you guys buy in full into an unknown situation? I'm not saying that the arguments put forth for buying in full are not valid. It's more +ev for a good player to buy in full. I'm just trying to explain why I bought in short in this situation. What I'd really rather do is find some home games around Toronto/Hamilton so I don't have to go to underground casinos. derick
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