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#11
11-17-2005, 01:01 PM
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Re: Why buy in Short.
oh i know why you bought in short and i dont blame you!
but it really makes playing this particular hand quite hard. you raise preflop with a good deal of your stack and you are pretty much stuck to throwing the rest in on the flop and hoping for the best. 
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#12
11-17-2005, 01:02 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
How much is "full" in this particular game?
Slightly off-topic, but I think your chances of getting cheated are lower in an underground room with a house dealer than in a home game. I would much rather play in the former than the latter despite rake and tipping costs.
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#13
11-17-2005, 01:06 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
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[ QUOTE ] Well, can we agree that betting say 7BB with TT in this situation is better? derick [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but know that you're putting the rest in on this flop and hoping for folds. Thats why short stacks suck. [/ QUOTE ] So the betting sequence should go something like. Bet 7bb preflop. Get 1 caller Pot size 15bb Continuation Bet the rest, 13 bb post flop. I address the suckiness of short stacks in my post above.
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#14
11-17-2005, 01:11 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
[ QUOTE ]
How much is "full" in this particular game? Slightly off-topic, but I think your chances of getting cheated are lower in an underground room with a house dealer than in a home game. I would much rather play in the former than the latter despite rake and tipping costs. [/ QUOTE ] Full is $200 (100bb) Min buying is $40 (20bb) Can you expand on why you prefer underground casinos to home games? (Feel free to hijack this thread I think I now know the correct line for TT (bet more than 4bb preflop correct?)
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#15
11-17-2005, 01:14 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
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Pot $33. Flop J63r Flop texture looks ok. No A or K or Q. If someone has a J he's go me killed. BB checks MP1 checks What would you do here? One overcard to your pair. What is the most likely hand for the button? Middle pair? AQ? AJ? KQ? I decide to continuation bet. 2 players have checked and will probably fold. I don't know about the button. How much should I bet. If I bet half the pot $16 I get 2:1 on my money. Then I could go all in on the turn if a safe card appears. That's the smart thing to do. But my stack is now only $32. I curse buying in short. Betting $16 will tempt good hands to put me all in anyways and I'd be getting 4:1 to call so... I go all in (raise $32). Button calls, BB folds, MP1 folds. Please criticize my play. [/ QUOTE ] What do you guys think of my postflop play, Would you guys push or check?
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#16
11-17-2005, 01:18 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Pot $33. Flop J63r Flop texture looks ok. No A or K or Q. If someone has a J he's go me killed. BB checks MP1 checks What would you do here? One overcard to your pair. What is the most likely hand for the button? Middle pair? AQ? AJ? KQ? I decide to continuation bet. 2 players have checked and will probably fold. I don't know about the button. How much should I bet. If I bet half the pot $16 I get 2:1 on my money. Then I could go all in on the turn if a safe card appears. That's the smart thing to do. But my stack is now only $32. I curse buying in short. Betting $16 will tempt good hands to put me all in anyways and I'd be getting 4:1 to call so... I go all in (raise $32). Button calls, BB folds, MP1 folds. Please criticize my play. [/ QUOTE ] What do you guys think of my postflop play, Would you guys push or check? [/ QUOTE ] depends on the hand range you can put the button on - since you havent really seen much play this can be difficult. probably check/call a reasonable bet and reassess the turn. .edit or maybe just push and maximize the FE
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#17
11-17-2005, 01:27 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Pot $33. Flop J63r Flop texture looks ok. No A or K or Q. If someone has a J he's go me killed. BB checks MP1 checks What would you do here? One overcard to your pair. What is the most likely hand for the button? Middle pair? AQ? AJ? KQ? I decide to continuation bet. 2 players have checked and will probably fold. I don't know about the button. How much should I bet. If I bet half the pot $16 I get 2:1 on my money. Then I could go all in on the turn if a safe card appears. That's the smart thing to do. But my stack is now only $32. I curse buying in short. Betting $16 will tempt good hands to put me all in anyways and I'd be getting 4:1 to call so... I go all in (raise $32). Button calls, BB folds, MP1 folds. Please criticize my play. [/ QUOTE ] What do you guys think of my postflop play, Would you guys push or check? [/ QUOTE ] depends on the hand range you can put the button on - since you havent really seen much play this can be difficult. probably check/call a reasonable bet and reassess the turn. .edit or maybe just push and maximize the FE [/ QUOTE ] Are you suggesting checking and making a push if you get a non A,K,Q turn? I really really hate giving a free card to the limpers but I guess you could be behind. I have no reads on anyone in this hand since this is my first hand. But this table seem to be good. People are talking, happy and laughing - And drinking! Oh yeah, I noticed a half empty beer beside the button. derick
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#19
11-17-2005, 01:30 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] How much is "full" in this particular game? Slightly off-topic, but I think your chances of getting cheated are lower in an underground room with a house dealer than in a home game. I would much rather play in the former than the latter despite rake and tipping costs. [/ QUOTE ] Full is $200 (100bb) Min buying is $40 (20bb) Can you expand on why you prefer underground casinos to home games? (Feel free to hijack this thread I think I now know the correct line for TT (bet more than 4bb preflop correct?) [/ QUOTE ] I asked what full was because sometimes its only $100 and, in that case, I'd always buy in for the max because even the max is short. Buying short and then topping off to max later is also a bit of a tell in that anybody paying attention will know that you wanted to see how the game was and when you rebuy, you're telegraphing that you feel you can beat it. This encourages those who paid attention to play somewhat differently against you as they know you have a clue but they also know that you don't know for sure if they do. Basically, my rule of thumb in live games is to not do anything that would draw attention to me as a knowing what I'm doing. Re: home games vs. organized (casino, card clubs both legal and illegal, etc.): In home games, everybody is more or less a regular. Sometimes these regulars are colluding against whoever they can invite into the group and, once they've fleeced one sucker, they're out to find another. Obviously, not all games are like this but its out there. Even if just 4/10 of the people in the home game are playing together, that puts you at a severe disadvantage. Add in that the players are dealing and you suddenly have to keep a sharp eye out for stacked decks, dealing seconds, and all the other sleight-of-hand cheating that can (not necessarily will) occur. A house dealer will usually have no interest in who wins the pot (as they are paid by the house and/or by tips) so there is a lesser chance of anything dishonest happening with the deal itself. In any game you play (from home games with guys you've known your whole life to the Bellagio against 9 unknowns), you need to protect yourself from any dishonesty. You have to keep at least a cursory eye out for anything that compromises the integrity of the game. In a place where the games are raked, it is in the best interests of the house to run a clean game and protect their customers. In this respect, you have a partner (the house) in running a straight game and you no longer are the only one watching out for your interests.
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#20
11-17-2005, 01:36 PM
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Re: Can I run over your game fools!!? Live 1/2NL TT from the hijack.
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Can you expand on why you prefer underground casinos to home games? (Feel free to hijack this thread I think I now know the correct line for TT (bet more than 4bb preflop correct?) [/ QUOTE ] Having spent a lot of time in both, I also prefer underground games with paid dealers. The main reason is that you are much less likely to be cheated (although it's still possible and you have to keep your eyes open). Players dealing their own cards invite card mechanics to take shots (bottom dealing, hold outs, etc). Also, you are more likely to run into collusion cheating when entering established home games. In general, most of the people willing to go to the trouble (and take the risk) of running an underground game are trying to run their game like a business. They make good money from the rake, and they don't want the game killed off by cheaters and so they actively help try to prevent it. Home games are easier to setup quickly, sometimes by scumbags with their friends if they think they can cheat a good player out of some money. My personal policy now is that I won't play in any home games for anything but trivial stakes, unless I personally know the person setting up the game, and trust them fairly well. OTOH, I play in several underground games for pretty large stakes (larger than I play online anyway) fairly often. The biggest drawback to underground games, is that they are much more likely to be robbed (I've been in two robbery's now), but home games can be robbed too, so I'll stick with the underground games.
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