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Old 08-26-2005, 05:23 AM
Newt_Buggs Newt_Buggs is offline
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Default Help me settle this dispute with a 2+2er ($215)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t1085)
MP3 (t892)
Hero (t1165)
Button (t230)
SB (t1375)
BB (t855)
UTG (t1965)
UTG+1 (t693)
MP1 (t1740)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t50, MP3 calls t50, Hero calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t250) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t250) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero?

He has almost convinced me of his preference, but I still like mine as well.
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:33 AM
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I say check. I doubt strongly that anyone has any outs against you, and nobody's represented top pair, so you can't expect many calls here--maybe a ten or the Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Pray a heart doesn't come down on the river and a T may bet, you may get a bluff, someone may make a straight or a set, etc.
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Old 08-26-2005, 09:22 AM
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I say check. Pray a heart does come down on the river and a T may bet.

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fixed your post, he would still have the nuts

greg
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Old 08-26-2005, 09:26 AM
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I say check. Pray a heart does come down on the river and a T may bet.

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fixed your post, he would still have the nuts

greg

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His post didn't need fixing, except for the part where he checks.

A heart will scare away almost all hands that may have called/bet if a non-heart fell.
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Old 08-26-2005, 09:39 AM
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I say check. Pray a heart does come down on the river and a T may bet.

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fixed your post, he would still have the nuts

greg

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His post didn't need fixing, except for the part where he checks.

A heart will scare away almost all hands that may have called/bet if a non-heart fell.

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Yes but it might also induce a once card flush to make a stupid move. With the nut flush he would be in a very nice position.

By checking it through the likelyhood of someone having anything decent here is very low. Maybe another heart makes someone an expensive second best hand. Plus another heart means no full house (Except for the 2h).

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Old 08-27-2005, 06:00 AM
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I say check. Pray a heart does come down on the river and a T may bet.

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fixed your post, he would still have the nuts

greg

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His post didn't need fixing, except for the part where he checks.

A heart will scare away almost all hands that may have called/bet if a non-heart fell.

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Yes but it might also induce a once card flush to make a stupid move. With the nut flush he would be in a very nice position.

By checking it through the likelyhood of someone having anything decent here is very low. Maybe another heart makes someone an expensive second best hand. Plus another heart means no full house (Except for the 2h).

Greg

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Still think a heart's the only thing that really hurts you on the river.
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Old 08-26-2005, 07:11 AM
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Interesting spot.
Depending on reads
I'd either check and hope something comes on the river to interest the others
OR
I'd lay out a small bet (even just 1BB) to try to fool them that I'm trying to bluff it. If anyone else is drawing to the flush they just might bite.
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Old 08-26-2005, 07:26 AM
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About the only way you are getting paid is if someone makes a horrible play, puts you on a steal and comes over top. Not betting could give a free card to a set, the pot is a decent size, just take er down.

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Old 08-26-2005, 08:31 AM
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About the only way you are getting paid is if someone makes a horrible play, puts you on a steal and comes over top. Not betting could give a free card to a set, the pot is a decent size, just take er down.

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Does a set typically let this check through when the third heart hits the turn? On that same note, does a set let the pot on a two heart flop stay closed?

That said, I'd still bet the turn, but not to keep a set from getting a free card. We most likely won't be stacking someone, but we can pull a few more chips in our direction if we keep the pot small enough for someone to chase with a moderate hand.
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Old 08-27-2005, 06:01 AM
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About the only way you are getting paid is if someone makes a horrible play, puts you on a steal and comes over top. Not betting could give a free card to a set, the pot is a decent size, just take er down.

Beefcake

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Does a set typically let this check through when the third heart hits the turn? On that same note, does a set let the pot on a two heart flop stay closed?


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