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Old 07-10-2005, 09:08 PM
MarkSummers MarkSummers is offline
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Default AJs preflop. cap or call?

game is 10/20 full handed with 46% seeing flop, a bunch of loose aggressives playing.

I'm UTG+1 and open raise with AJ spades. UTG+2 cold calls and MP 1 3 bets. MP2 calls 3 cold and the bb calls. Back to me. Cap or call? Or does it really matter?
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Old 07-10-2005, 11:17 PM
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Default Re: AJs preflop. cap or call?

cap.

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Old 07-11-2005, 03:03 AM
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Old 07-11-2005, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: AJs preflop. cap or call?

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Yuk.

-Scott
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Old 07-11-2005, 12:49 PM
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Default Re: AJs preflop. cap or call?

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cap.

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Yuk.

-Scott

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im not autobetting all flops here...cap is for value. i dont have the 3btetor beat. but i have plenty of equity against him enough to want to get this huge pot to 4 bets. with all those other players in there i dont him if im 2nd or 3rd or whatever best (smaller pairs etc.. AK from the 3bettor) at the moment.

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Old 07-11-2005, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: AJs preflop. cap or call?

Just curious Barron, In a laggy game like this, despite the poor position, would you (or anyone) lean towards the preflop cap with hands that play well multiway (J10s, QJs, KJs)? Or are you only in here with an Ace-big suited.
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Old 07-11-2005, 02:11 PM
DcifrThs DcifrThs is offline
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Just curious Barron, In a laggy game like this, despite the poor position, would you (or anyone) lean towards the preflop cap with hands that play well multiway (J10s, QJs, KJs)? Or are you only in here with an Ace-big suited.

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the A of the suit is the reasonfor the cap imo. but this may be worth it with JTs b/c of the 4 ways it can make a straight vs. the nut flush...sux b/c of flush redraws which are likely out there though.

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Old 07-11-2005, 12:09 AM
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Default Re: AJs preflop. cap or call?

If i was you and i did not have a strong read on the raiser i would call because there are few hands, from a RR, that you can beat and many will have you dominated. The other callers out there probably wont fold to another raise due to the insane amount of "pot odds" they may thinky that they are getting, being UTG doesnt help either as it appears they dont respect position therefore by putting you first to act even if a flop comes:

A 10 2

And you come in for a raise, followed by the pre flop RRer Re Reasing you bet, when the action folds to you would you call in the hope of possibly being up against a draw pair that missed a set? If i dont have a read on the player i would play it safe and fold if not call till the river.

This is the main reason i would just call pre flop, you could be in big trouble if you were up agasint AQ, AK.
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:08 AM
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Default Re: AJs preflop. cap or call?

call... even in an aggressive game you probably aren't capping the best hand or even the best draw. If you don't see some jacks or some spades your hand is worthless.. and if you see an Ace you *should* be playing it slow.
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:31 AM
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Default Re: AJs preflop. cap or call?

Capping increases variance with no likely benefit, and yes, of course, you may be dominated. Don't do it unless you really have specific reads that give you an idea about the way you're going to make a move for the pot later if the board is a certain way.

Fundamentally I think capping is foolish in this scenario unless you've really thought your reasons through.

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