279BB deep 10/25 hand

nigelloring · #1 12-04-2005, 01:02 AM

I'm a short handed NL Holdem specialist, but am trying to prepare for the big cash games in Tunica next January.

I would like to ask when a laydown was appropriate for villain. Thanks in advance.

Ultimate Bet Pot-Limit Omaha High, $25 BB (4 handed) converter

SB ($8677.50)
Hero ($6970)
UTG :#A500AF(Player1)/ ($7740)
Button :#A500AF(Player2)/ ($1855)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG :#A500AF(Player1)/ raises to $85, 1 fold, SB calls $75, Hero calls $60.

Flop: ($255) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $255, Hero raises to $1020, Player1 folds, SB calls $765.

Turn: ($2295) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2295, SB calls $2295.

River: ($6885) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3570 (All-In), SB calls $3570.

Final Pot: $14025

Results in white below: 
hero shows 7s 7c 6h Kc.
hero has 7c Kc Ac 6c 3c: flush, ace high.
villain mucks cards.
(villain has 4c 2h 3d Qc.)

Outcome: Hero wins $14025.

BluffTHIS! · #2 12-04-2005, 01:07 AM

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Hero raises to $1020

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That's when. When you play short handed like this you can't allow yourself to be trapped into giving too much action with non-nut hands when you have no redraws and don't have the betting lead.

whodaman · #3 12-04-2005, 01:10 AM

you should have given us villians hand not heros if you wanted comments on villians play.

nigelloring · #4 12-04-2005, 01:15 AM

Just for my reference, would you say this is the laydown spot for the second nut flush in holdem too?

It hurts my head trying to adjust. After playing one evening of short-handed PLO I would estimate I've given up a ****load of edge, but thankfully so have my opponents, I think.

There appears to be plenty of room for me to learn. Where's the best place to find good short-handed games (I don't mind losing money at them as long as I'm learning something)? My bankroll is big, but I also don't mind starting at penny stakes if you guys think that's best for learning.

nigelloring · #5 12-04-2005, 01:16 AM

Villain's hand was 4c 2h 3d Qc, i.e. second nut flush.

Sorry, it is in white in the OP - I was having some trouble with the hand converter.

nigelloring · #6 12-04-2005, 01:55 AM

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Hero raises to $1020

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That's when. When you play short handed like this you can't allow yourself to be trapped into giving too much action with non-nut hands when you have no redraws and don't have the betting lead.

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So what if I just hold the Kc but no other clubs? Then is it PLO "basic strategy" to bluff reraise the flop?

BluffTHIS! · #7 12-04-2005, 04:13 AM

Well the key difference between holdem and plo is that the situations where there is 1st nut flush or full versus the 2nd nut occurs way more often. And the drawing hands run bigger and some big draws are actually favorites over sets. And even though shorthanded you don't expect nearly as often to run into these situations, they do occur and you just have to be prepared both to lay down the 2nd nuts and also not to try to push bluffs too far against determined calling stations. And as far as where to play, you can often just sit at a table if you want headsup or 3 way action. But until you do adjust and learn more it would be prudent to do so at lower limits although more of the players willing to play shorthanded plo play high.

Besides the posts here, there is a ton in the archives, and you should also read the basic plo texts often mentioned here, namely Ciaffone and Ciaffone/Reuben.

punter11235 · #8 12-04-2005, 05:33 AM

To be honest I would buddy list Villain after seeing his play in the hand. Too many people are afraid of being bluffed by lone nut flush card (K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in this example) and payoff bigtime with their second nut.
This is very small pot after your first raise... giving up is cheap and calling with call down plan is putting yourself at the mercy of your opponent.
I agree with BluffTHIS, muck after first raise. Next hand.

bugstud · #9 12-04-2005, 02:10 PM

man his call pf also is pretty awful. ni han.

#10 12-04-2005, 02:23 PM

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To be honest I would buddy list Villain after seeing his play in the hand

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Its more important that you add into your notes that this villain pays through the nose drawing down against your made nut flush.