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Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
Not enough hands on villain for anything concrete, but he is 45vpip after 15 hands, which means he is probably a donk.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls. Flop: (8.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font> standard bet BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 folds, Standard fold? I called here and I think I shouldn't have. Can I throw this away to the c/r every single time? He wouldn't be doing it as a value raise for a flush draw cuz there aren't enough ppl in, so can I very safely assume he has a K? Only thing that got me thinking was that this is a wa/wb type hand, where him c/r'ing only would get worse hands to fold, but would end up losing more to better hands... Though he's probably not thinking this cuz he's a donk! |
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Re: Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
I see this a lot from pocket pairs or even 3's. I think a call is OK, then re-evaluate on the turn.
[ QUOTE ] he is 45vpip after 15 hands, which means he is probably a donk. [/ QUOTE ] This really isn't true... |
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Re: Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
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This really isn't true... [/ QUOTE ] What are the odds a TAG got 7 out of 15 playable hands in a row? Possible, but not likely... Hell, I might even bust out the math if you wanna argue it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (j/k) |
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Re: Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
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[ QUOTE ] This really isn't true... [/ QUOTE ] What are the odds a TAG got 7 out of 15 playable hands in a row? Possible, but not likely... Hell, I might even bust out the math if you wanna argue it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (j/k) [/ QUOTE ] I think what made me think of it is, after about 20 hands earlier today, I looked at the little stats thingy and I'd seen about 60% of the flops. On two different tables! So it does happen -- over 15 hands, someone who typically VP$IPs 25% of the time could easily be 45%. But if you see him do something like showdown an unimproved 94o then, OK, he's a donk. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
would it be terribly wrong to re-raise and fold to a cap?
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Re: Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
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would it be terribly wrong to re-raise and fold to a cap? [/ QUOTE ] Um, I hate this line. Me being the pfr, he prob. wouldn't cap with most K's after I 3 bet, fearing I have AK. But he sure as hell wouldn't fold a K either, so I think this is the worst option. Am i wrong? |
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Re: Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
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[ QUOTE ] would it be terribly wrong to re-raise and fold to a cap? [/ QUOTE ] Um, I hate this line. Me being the pfr, he prob. wouldn't cap with most K's after I 3 bet, fearing I have AK. But he sure as hell wouldn't fold a K either, so I think this is the worst option. Am i wrong? [/ QUOTE ]Nah I agree, plus folding to a cap is terrible, there is really no point in three betting if you're gonna fold to a cap. I would call, then make a decision on the turn. This is a tough spot without a read. |
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Re: Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
I am not sure - I was thinking that if he does not have Kx (or 33) he would fold anything else here.
If he calls you beat any other A except AQ. If the turn is not an A and he comes out betting I think you can fold there - do you have a read (edit: a read that he would or will never fold here w/o a K)? |
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Re: Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
Do you really think he'd c/r here with a K? I see this line from frush draws and little purs all the time.
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Re: Everyone whiffed right? DOH! c/r
Fold, make a note to watch him, and go on to the next hand.
Edit -- Calling is okay. I don't want to give you more than 4 outs here, and you're getting close to the right price to make a loose call. Don't get past the turn UI unless it's free. |
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