20+2 KK hand

[acIdREIGN462]

How should I play this on all streets?


NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:13207264 Level:3 Blinds(25/50)

Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ZekeT11 ( $425 )
Seat 2: bigtimecb ( $2335 )
Seat 3: cmmcnjd ( $725 )
Seat 4: shifty2300 ( $665 )
Seat 5: RHcutter ( $705 )
Seat 6: zappas_ghost ( $1040 )
Seat 7: AWorldOfPain ( $655 )
Seat 8: diaperdaddy ( $590 )
Seat 10: MacNastie ( $860 )

Blinds(25/50)

Dealt to AWorldOfPain [ Kc Ks ]
AWorldOfPain raises [150].
MacNastie calls [150].
zappas_ghost calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, Ac, Ah ]
zappas_ghost checks.
AWorldOfPain checks.
MacNastie checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
zappas_ghost checks.
AWorldOfPain checks.
MacNastie checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
zappas_ghost bets [400].
AWorldOfPain ......


With two callers I feel an Ace is likely and they would be slowplaying it. I don't have enough chips to bet and find out where i am either. I decided my hand wasnt very vulnerable so chose to take this line.

Should I call this bet on the end? I think it is reasonable that he would check an Ace twice here expecting someone to bet. How likely is it that he would bluff into this because of the weakness shown?

Thanks in advance,
AcidReign

[lastchance]

Two aces is a lot less scary than one ace. I bet the flop, probably check turn in position, maybe check it out of position.

The way you played it, call the river, easy.

[Shilly]

I would also call the river.

[acIdREIGN462]

How much would you bet on the flop if you bet? It seems like it has to be a push since there is 475 in the pot and i only have 500 left.

AcidReign

[KramerTM]

I check the flop, push the turn.

Reasoning: This is a hand where you have to go broke if someone has an ace, because I think you have to call the bet on the river. So therefore, you should check the flop with the intent of having someone hit their card or a draw on the turn. This way you get them to call when you push. (Note that a push on the turn will look like an act of desperation on your part as opposed to a value bet with the Ace, and therefore your opponents will call with a wider range of hands.) If someone slowplayed an Ace and you push... so be it. But you certainly hate to lay this down to a bluff.

Does anyone agree/disagree with my reasoning here?

[gildwulf]

What is the difference between pushing the flop and pushing the turn here? If someone has an Ace you are pretty much a goner anyways, whether they play it fast or slow. You might as well play it fast on the flop to prevent mid pocketpairs from boating (which I assume is what happened on the river).

I think you are going broke on this hand no matter what...better to get your money in on the flop than give free cards to smaller PPs.