Weird, frustrating live situation

thatpfunk · #1 11-10-2005, 07:07 AM

$2-4nl Sycuan casino

Effective stacks:~$400

Villian is a young guy, plays kind of funky. He has been limping with a lot of good hands and complaining about missing with big A's. He has raised twice but not showndown either hand. He is pretty nice and the table has a fun atmosphere. I think he enjoys the social aspect of the game moreso than the money.

My image is okay. I have been lagging it up, goofing around, but I think the table has some definite respect for my game. I have stabbed at quite a few pots, etc but not showndown any donk plays.

NLSoiler is UTG and live straddles.

I call UTG+1 with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Random people limp, soiler min raises, call.

Pot: $45
K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Checked to me, I bet $35. As I am cutting my bet, Villian says "Be careful, I have a King..." He calls, all others fold.

Pot: $115
K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img])
Once the K peels off he says, "Oh now theres no way you could have a king!" I act awkwardly and bet out $35 quietly.

He min raises to $70. I am kind of hem and haw while cutting my chips to try to figure out how best to get the money in. While I do Villian flashes his K and shrugs, trying to let me know to fold...

How best can I get the money in now that he knows, I know, he has a K? WTF is my plan of action?

sillyarms · #2 11-10-2005, 07:15 AM

Turn over your 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and push.

try to make it look like a bluff now that you know his hand.

thatpfunk · #3 11-10-2005, 07:16 AM

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Turn over your 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and push.

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Uh, then it is insanely obvious I have 99 or better. He is more than capable of folding his hand. He is not retarded. Decent and just having fun.

srm80 · #4 11-10-2005, 07:39 AM

i would just push all in anyway

emil3000 · #5 11-10-2005, 07:51 AM

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Turn over your 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and push.

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Uh, then it is insanely obvious I have 99 or better. He is more than capable of folding his hand. He is not retarded. Decent and just having fun.

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Meh, you're gonna have to make him believe you're full of it anyway... Problem with showing the 9 is it eliminates the possibility of a semibluff. I would push in here. He'll call only if he's full as well or he thinks you're full of it, but that's the only way he'll call anyway.

sillyarms · #6 11-10-2005, 07:53 AM

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Uh, then it is insanely obvious I have 99 or better. He is more than capable of folding his hand. He is not retarded. Decent and just having fun.

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You don't have to actually flash the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. No matter what you do you are probally not going to get paid. So stick it in there and hope he thinks you are bluffing or he has K4.

emil3000 · #7 11-10-2005, 07:55 AM

Um, I suck, thought it was th 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Just push in.

#8 11-10-2005, 08:59 AM

If you believe he has a K bet at least $100 on the turn.

thatpfunk · #9 11-10-2005, 09:11 AM

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If you believe he has a K bet at least $100 on the turn.

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the plan had been: weak continuation, he raises, i donk push the river, he calls, i stack. (you have to trust my about my image, previously played hands, table betting habits, and the chance [one that has now siginificantly increased] that he was just BSing. i normally would follow through for more, however)

it seemed to be working out okay until he showed the K and made any move I made seem retarded.

#10 11-10-2005, 09:25 AM

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If you believe he has a K bet at least $100 on the turn.

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the plan had been: weak continuation, he raises, i donk push the river, he calls, i stack. (you have to trust my about my image, previously played hands, table betting habits, and the chance [one that has now siginificantly increased] that he was just BSing. i normally would follow through for more, however)

it seemed to be working out okay until he showed the K and made any move I made seem retarded.

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yeah, I just think you give him far less chance of getting off if you make a proper bet. With a K he's not folding and he may well just go ahead & hang himself right there. If he flat calls the pot is over $300 and you both have less than that back.

If you weak-lead the pot it means you will either be 3-betting big on the turn, which looks very strong, or, as you say, donk-pushing river. If that works for your image, then fine, just looks stronger to me than 'not believing' he has a K and trying to push him out on the turn.

And yeah, it sucks he showed you the K. Probably best to flash your K back & just stuff it all with some comment about kickers or chopping or something.