25/50 top pair hand

[arod15]

I think I fold this PF. I hate getting into an hand with AT when someone has opened for a raise. Its just dominated far too often. However, given his bet I doubt a push will be any more than just spewing. Cut your losses, A 10 is no good in this spot....

[ggbman]

Well 2 really. If i shove i have about 2200 behind, do you see him folding JJ/QQ getting this price very often?

Also, i know i asked this already, but i didn't see an answer that explained it to me. If villian doesn't want to get his stack in on the turn, why does he open the river action and expose himself to a shove or bluff? Flawless said i'm thinking like a limit player, but i'm just saying lots of NL players wont want to bet this river with JJ/QQ in case i have a hand worth shoving, and because i need a good T to pay it off.

[Jason Strasser]

No I'm not kidding.


You said he'd call with worse but that he probably has an overpair, so push.

-Jason

[creedofhubris]

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Well 2 really. If i shove i have about 2200 behind, do you see him folding JJ/QQ getting this price very often?

Also, i know i asked this already, but i didn't see an answer that explained it to me. If villian doesn't want to get his stack in on the turn, why does he open the river action and expose himself to a shove or bluff? Flawless said i'm thinking like a limit player, but i'm just saying lots of NL players wont want to bet this river with JJ/QQ in case i have a hand worth shoving, and because i need a good T to pay it off.

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That's a substantial river bet. I think it's going to be hard for most players to find a bluff all-in over the top of that bet.

[flawless_victory]

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No I'm not kidding.


You said he'd call with worse but that he probably has an overpair, so push.

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i said push so he will fold and an overpair... getting called and winning will be rare, as i dont expect him to be playing QT like this alot, but if he does, sometimes he will call. QT and QQ shouldnt look much diff 2 him in that spot.

[Ulysses]

Dear Jason and others,

What flawless says, while it may sound contradictory and wrong to you, is often exactly the case. If you give this some thought, you will see why it is not quite as confusing as it seems at first glance.

Holiday greetings,
El Diablo

[SmileyEH]

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No I'm not kidding.


You said he'd call with worse but that he probably has an overpair, so push.

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i said push so he will fold and an overpair... getting called and winning will be rare, as i dont expect him to be playing QT like this alot, but if he does, sometimes he will call. QT and QQ shouldnt look much diff 2 him in that spot.

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Now it makes a lot more sense to me.

-SmileyEH

[ggbman]

I called, villian had T8 and MHING, I just wanted to be sure the river payoff was standard, seems there were not too many advoctaes of folding.

[Paluka]

Were you just supposed to go all in on turn this hand? Would that work agianst an overpair, or does only the big river all in move someone off a better hand?

[TheWorstPlayer]

really? seems like everyone but me thinks folding is good and I always thought it was close.