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Old 11-01-2005, 03:16 PM
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Read in some post that's it's a wa/wb situation what does that meen?
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:19 PM
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I would ordinarily direct you to http://poker.wikicities.com/wiki/List_of_abbreviations , but since Wikia's server is not responding very well...

Way ahead/way behind

I.e. you're either one or the other, but you don't know which.
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Old 11-01-2005, 05:36 PM
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I would ordinarily direct you to http://poker.wikicities.com/wiki/List_of_abbreviations , but since Wikia's server is not responding very well...

Way ahead/way behind

I.e. you're either one or the other, but you don't know which.

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For example, you flop top set on a monochrome flop.
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Old 11-01-2005, 07:58 PM
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For example, you flop top set on a monochrome flop.

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Thanks for giving an example (perhaps the FAQ should do the same?), but in my experience people often mean the "WB" to be farther behind than that. With a set you have seven outs on the turn and ten on the river to fill up or make quads. "Way behind" often means worse than a 2:1 shot, at least in my observation.

For example, imagine you have KK against two opponents (one loose, who plays any ace and a lot of other junk too). Sure enough, you get an Axx uncoordinated flop. If no one paired aces, you're probably way ahead -- your opponent may have a five-outer at best. But if anyone paired aces or made a set, you're drawing at two outs.
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Old 11-02-2005, 05:54 PM
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I.e. you're either one or the other, but you don't know which.

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For example, you flop top set on a monochrome flop.

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No, that's not a good example at all. With top set on a suited flop, you have many outs to beat a flush, and a flush draw has many outs against you.

A better example is AA on a 772r flop. If you are ahead, your opponent has only two outs. If you are behind, you have only two outs.
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:55 PM
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Old 11-03-2005, 03:21 PM
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I would say if you have AA and flop comes JJ2 would be a better example.

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Especially if the deuce is a different suit from either of the jacks.
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Old 11-03-2005, 05:26 PM
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I would put it like this: you're either ahead and your opponent has very few outs to beat you or behind and have very few outs to improve.

Example: You raise with AQ and a tight and aggressive player 3-bets you. You just call. The flop comes A72r. You think your opponent has AA-TT or AK. That is, your way ahead vs. KK-TT and way behind AA, AK.

This is how I see it. I'm a bit of a noob myself though.
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:53 PM
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For example, you flop top set on a monochrome flop.

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This is not WA/WB. If you hold top set on a monotone flop, you are roughly 2:1 to make a boat by the river, while will be the nuts barring quads. WA/WB situations typically refer to two out situations, e.g., dominated pairs on a drawless flop.
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:55 AM
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I would put it like this: you're either ahead and your opponent has very few outs to beat you or behind and have very few outs to improve.

Example: You raise with AQ and a tight and aggressive player 3-bets you. You just call. The flop comes A72r. You think your opponent has AA-TT or AK. That is, your way ahead vs. KK-TT and way behind AA, AK.

This is how I see it. I'm a bit of a noob myself though.

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Great example.
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