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Old 07-29-2005, 03:23 PM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

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after the 500 bet on the river by the SB, a set of 9s is pretty much never losing in my opinion.

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Old 07-29-2005, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

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after the 500 bet on the river by the SB, a set of 9s is pretty much never losing in my opinion.

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Yes. I like the river raise to 3000. SB will pay off with AQ or KQ. There's a good chance by the river that's what Hachem put SB on. I wonder what he put him on when he led 1K on the turn.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

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If he put him on KQ and made a turn bluff, that would be incongruous w/ his river action.

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I don't understand why Hachem would try to push an unskilled player off of KQ.

DE, was it obvious to everyone that SB was out of his league or is it something that you may have picked up because you were sitting directly next to him? Maybe Hachem didn't pick up on these things because of the poor view from seat 1 to seat 9.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

He had him making two pair on the turn (probably KQ but maybe AQ), but thought that he could run him off with the raise as there are a ton of hands ahead of the SB here. Joe may not have had exactly the same deer in the headlights read that I had on the SB as we were on the other side of the dealer from Joe and it was still very early.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

No player who calls 500 on the flop with KQ is folding 2 pair on the turn.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

it is possible he put him on AJ, or Ax and didnt think the Q encessarily helped him. While its a bad read here, I don't think its totally out of line. If thats the case he thought he could take him off it.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:53 PM
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

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it is possible he put him on AJ, or Ax and didnt think the Q encessarily helped him.

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Who check calls the flop, leads that turn with AJ or Ax (x!=3) here? I mean that's really REALLY really bad, unless you put Hatchem on his exact hand, in which case you should come over the top on the turn.
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Old 07-29-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

There are many bad players in the world, many of them do not know they are bad and play in the WSOP. All I can say is that players will sometimes play Ax in this way. They automatically check to the raiser , then call since they have top pair. On the turn they bet to "see where they are at. Happens all the time.
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Old 07-29-2005, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

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He had him making two pair on the turn (probably KQ but maybe AQ), but thought that he could run him off with the raise as there are a ton of hands ahead of the SB here.

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He may be a great player but I'm going to go out on a limb and say he hasn't played much Internet poker.
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Old 07-29-2005, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: Joe Hachem hand from Main Event

Actually he said he plays a lot online.

Afterwards he somewhat sheepishly admitted this was not the best hand he's ever played and completely miscalculated his opponent's ability to get off of an Internet Monster.
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