multi tabeling at PS

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I have been working on my game and progressing. 3 weeks ago i put 50 in party and two weeks later cashed out 200, leaving my original 50. (mostly played sng's). caught a bad hand (full house to quads) and lost my 50. I have PT but not many limit hands in it. I'm thinking about putting 50 in Stars and multi tableing .02-.04 to get a better read on my high and low spots. Good idea or not.
Thanks for any replies

[OrcaDK]

First of all, if you lost your whole bankroll on a single bad hand, you're playing way out of your league!

Deposit some money at Stars, grind your way through the micro limits. Don't change limits until you feel like you're really crushing your current limit, or until you've played at least 10k hands with a positive outcome.

[bholdr]

i aggree with the other respondant. multitable some micros.

don't play above .5/.10 NL unless you can afford to bust. unless you NEED it, don't withdraw any money- use it to build your roll, and you will reap the benifits later when you're beating bigger games. think of it as an investment in your intrest in the game. if i hadn't ever withdrawn money for my beer drinking/ buying things i didn't really need/ taking my girl out (well... that was +EV), etc, i'd be rolled for 15/30. instead, i play 1/2 to 3/6. *sighs*.

[Student]

I'm a beginning player, so to date I've played 834 hands. If I play 125 hands in a day, it's a big day for me.

So when you banter around terms like "at least 10k hands with a positive outcome," it seems utterly impossible to me to ever escape from playing the 1/2 cents games I play presently. I thought I was doing well! For a beginner, since little is automatic while playing, it's hard work playing (mental effort). When I have a day of playing nearly 200 hands, I'm utterly exhausted! At 200 hands/day, it takes 50 days just to have enough data to arrive at the conclusion, based on your statement.

Gee, I'm retired, and I don't really have a lifetime to get my poker up to income-generating status. One fellow said it was possible, if one really applies oneself, to start making money at poker in 3 months.

I've embarked on a program of teaching my subconscious mind to take over as much work as possible. So, with time, the work will be far less taxing for me.

I require of myself both reading and playing poker. The cycle is read, play, read, play etc. This leads to very rapid training in poker, because of the way the subconscious mind operates. What do I read? I certainly don't read "Small Stakes Hold'em," because I've been advised it's not for beginners! I can read threads here on 2+2, and pick up much practical advise. After all, that's what I need, not THE answer, but hundreds of answers, all at one time. And I read the 2+2 Internet Magazine. When I say read, I mean intensively. I get a lot from discussion of a hand at 20/40, even though the level is miles away from my present 1/2 cents. Why? Because the author is describing what his objectives are, at each stage during play. When I understand what expert poker players are attempting to do, then I have a better understanding of the means used to arrive at the objective, even when these means are described in a difficult book.

I'm interested in how important getting up to playing a number of hands simultaneously is. For I truly do appreciate that "practice makes perfect," and the best way to practice is intensively. I know I'm not ready to play more than one table at a time presently, because playing even at the single table level is real work for me now. But I have hope! That's why I'm here, because I have hope, and I know you can bridge the gap between where I am today, and where you are today. Thanks in advance!

Dave

[Pov]

Not to discourage you, but many people on this board are playing 200 hands per *hour*. That's a little much for me at this point, but I've done it from time to time. Anyway, the actual point I was trying to get to is that you indeed will never escape from 1/2 cents games. Even if you were winning 10 BB/100 that would be 30 cents a day if you only played 150 hands . . . and you're probably not making 10 BB/100. You're better off cancelling your subscription the local paper or skipping the morning cup of coffee to build your bankroll.

At the high levels players feel good about making 1 big bet per 100 hands. If you were playing $10/$20 and only played 125 hands you'd be making basically $25 per day. If you ever want to make any reasonable money at this game you're going to have to play a LOT more hands or play a MUCH higher limit (successfully).

Yes, it's okay to really concentrate on one table for a few hours starting out, especially when you're really working on learning. But if you can't envision yourself putting in 8 hours or playing 2-3 tables for 3-4 hours . . .

Edit: Here - Read Homer's "How many hands do I need to play...."

[AncientPC]

You can advance through the microlimits faster because they're really all the same, jumping from 1¢/2¢ to 5¢/10¢ isn't that big of a difference in skill levels. Ideally you move up everytime you hit 300BB's (or 20 max buy-ins for NL) but it might take a while. You can move up with half of the required bankroll as long as you're willing to set a stop limit and move down when you hit it.

Once your bankroll reaches the ~$500 mark you can hit up all the bonuses out there and it will inflate your bankroll from $500 to at least $2,000 easily.

I would advise against cashing out until you hit that mark. Cashing out $200 of a $250 bankroll is basically cutting off your arms and legs and forces you to drop down to 5¢/10¢ limits. You can try to play 50¢/$1 with $50, but even winning players have losing streaks of 50BB+ pretty common.

This is just a rough guess, but $50 -> $500 will take roughly 6 - 12 months. $500 -> $2,000 will take roughly 3 - 6 months.

When I first started out, I turned $100 -> $3,000 in roughly a month or two. However in that period I ran well and also played roughly 30,000+ hands (basically 4-tabling for 4 - 8 hours every day for a month).

It's doable, but it really depends on how many hands you play and how many hours you put in. Someone single-tabling at 60 hands / hour would need to play 500 hours to play the same quantity of hands.

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Thanks to all for your imput (even the first guy that said i suck). One of my biggest problems is getting away from like KJo and QJo pretty much any painted connectors or one gappers. being a married man i liken them to single 20 year old chicks. man they are fun to play with but don't get caught with em. Also stealing the blinds, I can't really figure out the proper time to do it. Any suggestions on books? Should they be pretty much semi-bluffs? Finally got my sshe back after loaning it out to some of my sunday night buddies. Been tring to read Thoery of Poker but it is pretty thick reading. Not like sshe. My boss at work flamed me for cashing out also. Like you guys he told me get to a grand then maybe half.

[bholdr]

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This is just a rough guess, but $50 -> $500 will take roughly 6 - 12 months. $500 -> $2,000 will take roughly 3 - 6 months.


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50$ to 2k- one month. no problem. casinowhoring. done.

[bholdr]

never cash out any money unless you NEED to- the 500$ that you leave in your online roll will make you more than that once you get better. it is capital. you need that money to make you more money.

if i had never cashed out, i would now be playing a lot higher than 2/4. oops.