I Wanna Fold My Nut Draw

toss · #1 04-25-2005, 09:10 AM

Nothing notable about villains so far.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (20 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Check/call,call,call is the way to go on this flop right?

Turn: (18 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Sure I'm getting 21:1 on my call, but the reverse implied odds are astounding man! JT really comes into mind. Should this be a clear laydown?

River: (22 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Hi I'm a fish.

Final Pot: 26 BB

KingDan · #2 04-25-2005, 09:17 AM

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Nothing notable about villains so far.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (20 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Check/call,call,call is the way to go on this flop right?

Turn: (18 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Sure I'm getting 21:1 on my call, but the reverse implied odds are astounding man! JT really comes into mind. Should this be a clear laydown?

River: (22 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Hi I'm a fish.

Final Pot: 26 BB

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At first I thought this was a joke post since you had a royal and misclicked at the end [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]Then I realized you were offsuit.

I'd bet the flop and no way in hell I fold that turn. Sometimes your drawing dead, other times your getting better odds than needed.

River I would do the same.

toss · #3 04-25-2005, 09:31 AM

If I hit a royal I would crap my pants since two villains had Fullboats.

But its good to know I'm not a donking station.

ErrantNight · #4 04-25-2005, 10:07 AM

just to note: that guy who said to bet this flop is... well, to put it politely: [censored] wrong.

way to stick around for your gutshot draw, hit it, and not raise on the river though... [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

in all seriousness, i'd toss in a raise here.

i'd also stop calling a full house, or a boat, a full boat. i'm not sure how that got started, or how it entered the poker lexicon as a proper term, but it's [censored] retarded. yes, i know i'm "wrong," but i will crusade against the "full boat" until the day i die, because it's clearly an amalgamation of two other terms by some frickin' idiots that has been adopted by people unsure which term is more correct, full house, or boat.

toss · #5 04-25-2005, 10:14 AM

I'd never thought about raising this river. Would you fold if it was 2 bets back to you?

ErrantNight · #6 04-25-2005, 10:19 AM

probably not, but i probably should [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

KingDan · #7 04-25-2005, 10:18 AM

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just to note: that guy who said to bet this flop is... well, to put it politely: [censored] wrong.

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Your right. I was giving credit for overcards, but based on preflop action, doesn't seem like they are good.

Hope I didn't hurt anyones game too badly.

chief444 · #8 04-25-2005, 10:18 AM

This looks fine to me. I can see an argument for just calling preflop but capping is fine IMO. Flop and turn check/call seem standard. The river is somewhat questionable. I can see betting out or check/raising but check/call actually seems OK. I think I like a check/raise though since you're almost always ahead of UTG+2 and MP3 and BB will have a worse straight a lot of the time.

toss · #9 04-25-2005, 10:28 AM

Well it looks like I have to stop playing all weak-tight and results oriented. I have a braodway and should raise my strong holding.

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Kd (straight, ace high).
BB has Ts Tc (full house, tens full of jacks).
UTG+2 has Qc Qd (full house, queens full of jacks).
MP3 has Kh Ac (straight, ace high).
CO has 6h Ad (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 26 BB. 

CO is my new buddy.

ErrantNight · #10 04-25-2005, 11:14 AM

what a ridiculous set of hands... how did this not get capped on every street?