KK, when to let it go

Let it go, pot's too small.

[milesdyson]

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Let it go, pot's too small.

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instead of letting this thread die with this as its last post, let me bump this to remind everyone how not to reply to hand posts.

[UATrewqaz]

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Let it go, pot's too small.



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instead of letting this thread die with this as its last post, let me bump this to remind everyone how not to reply to hand posts..

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Personally I feel his post was great. Doesn't SSHE/Ed Miller stress the first question you should ask yourself regarding any hand decision no matter what is

"How big is the pot?"

That should be a mantra oft-repeated... no?

i think the point was more that it was so short and shallow.... it was almost like it was me posting through another account

Edit: Btw ive reconsidered my initial analysis. not sure i fully thought it through regarding WA/WB issues. but the reason i dont understand the conceptual application here is because there are three players in the pot. as such most wa/wb lines arent relevant.

if anyone could explain this id be grateful....

[Scuba Chuck]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds</font>, Hero raises</font>, SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls .



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Couldn't you raise here?

[GtrHtr]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds</font>, Hero raises</font>, SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls .



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Couldn't you raise here?

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uh, yes [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

I dont know the dynamics at 0.15/0.30 but I am just calling down from the flop as a standard play. And ofc I cap preflop. The hand would probably play a little different after that.

grunch

given the pf action the SB could have a Q, but with his 3 betting hands you are likely beat with tyope fo flop,

river fold is good and with the BB calling you are likely beat, I dont think 13:1 is enough to justify that 2 ppl dont have the A

[Mathieu]

Hey Mikey,

Welcome to the forums.

This flop is bad for hero's hand, and I agree with you on that point. SB did 3 bet pre-flop, but he could have hands like JJ, TT, and because the pot is big and we are getting very good pot odds on this flop, we don't want to fold for just one bet when we know that SB could still be betting with a weaker hand.

The A on the turn is actually a good card for us since it reduces the chances that we are up against a Ax hand. The SB is still betting, but nobody raised him yet, so he could still be betting is Jacks or whatever. How about the caller? Well this is 0.15/0.30, so a player's call generally means that he has... well 2 cards. Ok not that bad but you get the idea.

Anyways, given that the A is a good card, and that nobody other than SB showed aggression, and SB could still be betting a weaker hand we can call down in this big pot.

On the river we have to call, even if we are likely beat. The pot is so big that we need to be pretty sure that we are beat in order to fold here. The decision to call or fold is really on the turn (2 big bets) and not on the river.

[chadplusplus]

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Well this is 0.15/0.30, so a player's call generally means that he has... well 2 cards. Ok not that bad but you get the idea.

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You are right though. It is quite frequent at the quasi-nano-limits for three (or more) to showdown and the third guy always has like bottom pair or a mid-pocket pair or something. I have no idea what these guys are thinking, but its mega +EV.

Hence, an overcall in nano-limit doesn't necessarily mean you're beat. Further, the, um, SB was it? or BB... anyway, the post flop aggressor in this hand betting into 2 people doesn't necessarily mean he's holding the goods either. Most players don't think that complex at that level.

Based upon the above, and just a wild theory I thought up while sitting here bored, I think just calling down may be a valid argument. You are probably ahead of one of these guys and you are probably planning on showing this down. I know I would plan to show it down once the second ace showed up. I want the third guy in calling with his pocket sevens or pair of queens or gut shot straight draw to help increase the size of the pot and at least make my call down worth it.

However, if your read is that these two guys are particularly weak (and I mean very weak - which you sometimes find), raising could force out an A2o or whatever (at least on the flop).

Then I would cry when they showed an A3s and an A6o.

Edit: Check that, I would cry when one of those guys showed a 23o for twos over aces.