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TT vs. 3 loose passives, value bet river?
SB, BB, and UTG+1 are all fairly loose passive.
No one bets except me, but the board is paired, there is an overcard to my pair, and the river card completes the flush and a (somewhat unlikely) straight. The pot is big enough that I think I have to call if I bet and get check raised, although I'll almost surely be beat. Value bet or free showdown? Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2 (All-In), SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls. Flop: (11 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players, 1 all-in)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds. Turn: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls. River: (11.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players, 1 all-in)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero ... |
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Re: TT vs. 3 loose passives, value bet river?
I wouldn't worry about a flush, theres no way they would go for a c/r there, usually it will be a donkbet. Youd've heard from a 3 long before now. If they are all really loose passive I think its a pretty easy river bet.
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Re: TT vs. 3 loose passives, value bet river?
I'm a big fan of categorizing opponents not only by how loose and how aggressive they are, but also by how predictable they are. For instance, a player who calls down with everything, but will raise with top pair or better is what I consider loose/passive/predictable. But if that same player also calls down with hands like top pair then I consider that player to be somewhat unpredictable. The reason I mention this is because I would play this hand differently depending upon how predictable my opponents are.
That said, with no read on predictability I think I would value bet in this spot because I would expect most opponents would have raised with a jack or a 3 by now. I think it's fairly close though, and having a read on the predictability of my opponents would make it an easier decision. |
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Re: TT vs. 3 loose passives, value bet river?
Bet/calling is not an option here, with less than top pair on a paired, three-flush board.
Against these opponents, I would feel comfortable enough about bet/folding. They will have 9s, 7s and small pocket pairs often enough here for this to be +EV, and I don't see them bluffraising here ever. |
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Re: TT vs. 3 loose passives, value bet river?
I would check it through. I know they are loose passives but what are they calling you with that you beat? IMHO someone has a jack with a weak kicker.
or am I too weak tight? |
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Re: TT vs. 3 loose passives, value bet river?
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I would check it through. I know they are loose passives but what are they calling you with that you beat? IMHO someone has a jack with a weak kicker. or am I too weak tight? [/ QUOTE ] I completely agree. I couldn't figure out why everyone liked a bet here. I think Hero is beat. |
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