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Old 12-01-2005, 11:32 PM
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$33 MTT, table has been aggressive, the two villians in this hand have shown down everything from low PPs to suited connectors and Ace suited.

How would you play this hand 1) preflop 2) flop

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB (t8115)
UTG (t3724)
UTG+1 (t16305)
MP1 (t21675)
MP2 (t2092)
CO (t16069)
Button (t11764)
Hero (t11410)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls t200, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t800</font>, Hero calls t700, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t600.

Flop: (t2475) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1400</font>, CO calls t1400, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t4400</font>,

Hero....
(very large stack still to act behind)
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Old 12-01-2005, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: JJ Hand - You decide

Reraise preflop.
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:36 AM
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I would have reraised before the flop. The button, who either just flopped a set or has an overpair would have folded a small pair and you would have a better idea of where you stand now.
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:48 AM
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Default Re: JJ Hand - You decide

If you lead out on the flp, i think you ahve to expect a raise here, and push.
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Old 12-02-2005, 06:02 AM
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All good answers. I think I was a little trigger shy with my position, as I thought I was going to have a squeeze play put on me (between the SB and the button). I folded this because I wasn't quite ready to get my whole stack in with JJ.

Villians hands and results in white:
<font color="white"> Villian 1: AJo, villian 2: 5c 6c
Villian 1 hit jack on turn and won with a pair of jacks.</font>
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Old 12-02-2005, 06:26 AM
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Reraise preflop.

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Old 12-02-2005, 06:30 AM
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Default Re: JJ Hand - You decide

I'm not sure how to read your reads. Do they merely linger with inferior holdings when attacked, drawing out often, or do they counter-attack and steal pots when they are shown strength?

I think that either of these descriptions, as long as they are the same type of player, have you in trouble, as far as post-flop goes. Obviously the bet from Button is troublesome if he's a weak calling station, and if the deep-stacked CO is aggressive, then he would probably have either raised or folded to your bet with a hand that you beat. His call between your raise and the preflop raiser seems rather ominous. And button doesn't seem to mind giving CO better than 3-1 odds to call.

The only two choices are push or fold. Pushing is such a shot in the dark that I would strongly consider folding. But a look at my resultant relative stack size, as well as the consideration that button sees your bet as a probing bet and CO's call as possibly a hopeful draw, make me push and wince.
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