Dumping JJ's... to soon to late?

Arm187r · #1 06-04-2005, 11:08 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero caps, Button calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (17.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, UTG+1 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button caps, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (16.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls, Button raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (22.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 24.25 BB

No reads. I think maybe I should've called that last SB on the flop, but the Button's Cap really sold me that he had AA's. Plus the UTG+1 chose to checkraise two raisers.

I'd like to know what peoples opinions are on this. Thankyou.

thesharpie · #2 06-04-2005, 11:13 PM

If you want to fold the flop, fold when it's 2 to you, not when it's 1 to you getting 32-1 on your 22-1 longshot.

I personally fold when it's 2 back to me.

dozer · #3 06-04-2005, 11:13 PM

thats a bad fold on the flop. You are getting more than enough odds to hit a third jack. If you are going to fold then you should have folded earlier.

Buckmulligan · #4 06-04-2005, 11:17 PM

I don't think this is a bad fold.

topspin · #5 06-04-2005, 11:20 PM

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I don't think this is a bad fold.

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I think this is an atrocious fold. Hero is faced with a single bet closing the action in a 32.5SB pot.

The time to make a correct fold is when you're faced with 2 cold back to you on the flop. Once you made the mistake of calling there, that money is gone and you're obligated to call the last bet given the pot odds.

Arm187r · #6 06-04-2005, 11:22 PM

I understand I lost a half a SB bet "if I'm going to fold" I want to know if I "should've called or folded".

I thought about folding when it was 2 cold back to me but I still called. But the cap sold it for me if that makes any sense.

Do I fold sooner or call all the bets on the flop is what I would like to know.

Buckmulligan · #7 06-04-2005, 11:39 PM

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The time to make a correct fold is when you're faced with 2 cold back to you on the flop. Once you made the mistake of calling there, that money is gone and you're obligated to call the last bet given the pot odds. I'm also gay.

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I was merely suggesting that it was correct to get out of there on the flop... I agree that it should have been after the first 2. You

Dave G. · #8 06-04-2005, 11:48 PM

I'm not capping preflop with JJ without some kind of read on button as a loose preflop raiser. What legitimate 3-betting hands are you infront of here? Really only AK and AQ (and some people wouldn't 3-bet AQ). Everything else has you crushed, and 3 overcards can come to beat you on the flop as well. Just call the 3-bet and see how the flop develops.

I'd fold when it comes back two to me on the flop, because there's the chance of getting it capped behind you. Folding for one bet to the cap is pretty bad though, the pot is massive. If a J came on the turn, you would probably be on tilt for the rest of the night.

SteveL91 · #9 06-04-2005, 11:58 PM

If it were HU or maybe 3-handed, I'd likely call; however, with two players in the middle, I'd go ahead and cap.

topspin · #10 06-05-2005, 12:38 AM

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The time to make a correct fold is when you're faced with 2 cold back to you on the flop. Once you made the mistake of calling there, that money is gone and you're obligated to call the last bet given the pot odds. I'm also gay.

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I was merely suggesting that it was correct to get out of there on the flop... I agree that it should have been after the first 2. You

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Then it's important to clarify your response when someone new to the forums posts a hand like this, lest you give the wrong perception. As written your post could easily be misinterpreted to be in support of OP's line of reasoning:

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I thought about folding when it was 2 cold back to me but I still called. But the cap sold it for me if that makes any sense.

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Oh, and judging from your creative editing of my post, you might also want to consider taking things less personally in the future; my post wasn't intended to be an attack on you. Just a thought.