20-40 Hand

[sthief09]

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Your logic is faulty

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Isn't just calling with AQo in that situation right out of HPFAP?

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as good as HPFAP is, it has some questionable stuff in it

[sthief09]

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CSC,

When you do these calcs, try using a range of hands for the limpers instead of specific hands. PokerStove is great because it allows you to do exactly that. It takes a little longer to get the numbers, but it's worth it and correctly applies to the situation.

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in general I agree, but in this case I think he was generous in giving the limpers good hands, which means his equity will probably be even slightly higher

[ggbman]

I dunno man, i hate posting when i am drunk. We didn't raise preflop because??? We have a serious equity edge, lets charge everyone now. CSC's post was right on, they will have their odds to draw, but you have have the best hand now.

You shouldnt make more mistakes postflop just because you push your equity esges. As for pstflop, i dunno, i think i am popping and folding a 3 bet. There are a ton of aces that the SB will bet here, and i dont think he checks the flop with a flush draw. i will reevaluat ethis when i am sober.

[Kurwood Derby]

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[sthief09]

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[afish]

This is a bad justification for limping that comes out of HPFAP. The main reason to limp preflop is so you can get someone to bet into you on the flop, and you can raise to clear the field. I believe Sklansky has clarified that that is the reason to limp. In my opinion, the value of limping is much less than charging junk an extra bet preflop.

[sthief09]

and yeah, how would you explain T9s being ranked higher than 88 and 98s higher than 77 if the book is gospel

[sthief09]

good drunk post

[amulet]

i raise preflop. and depending on the opponent, i call down or fold. there are a lot of ways to be behind, but if you call you will see by his response if he was taking advantage of a scary board or has a big hand. vs a tight player i fold. i think you are probably beat, given how many saw the flop and that he lead into a huge field..

[Jeffage]

Look, I understand I likely have the best hand with AQ. With 2 limpers, I'm raising. Three sure. Four, possibly. 5 or more...nah, I'll look at a flop. Why double the size of the pot on a hand that doesn't play well multiway when I know we're seeing the flop 8 ways? I'm not getting that much value there and it has postflop disadvantages.

I'm not saying raising here is the worst play in the world. I just don't think it's optimal. Leave it to me to turn a run-of-the-mill hand into the preflop debate of the century.

Jeff