Steal from button (once too many?)

[tigerite]

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I don't like the 87o push at all. The A4o one and the Q9o ones are okay. I would push those too.

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The 87o push is better than the A4 push.

1) The SB's stack is smaller
2) 87o is less likely to be dominated.

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But in terms of hand strength it's a no brainer, also the OP has >6BB which is just not the time to be pushing from the button with crap like that. Also you are forgetting the likelihood of being called by Kx as well, which 87o is still behind, but A4 is ahead of, you can't think only of being dominated by another A all the time.

[me1tdown]

Genuinely curious -- after 3 button pushes in a row aren't you worried that one of the blinds is just waiting to pull the trigger on you? I think Q,3s is a coin flip against a random hand but I'm wondering if by now one of them is completely zeroed in on you waiting for an A or K to fire back. Does this change anything, or is it still push city?

[durron597]

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But in terms of hand strength it's a no brainer, also the OP has >6BB which is just not the time to be pushing from the button with crap like that. Also you are forgetting the likelihood of being called by Kx as well, which 87o is still behind, but A4 is ahead of, you can't think only of being dominated by another A all the time.

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Look at the BB's stack, are YOU calling with KT here? KJ?

For me KJ is a maybe, KT is a fold. Also remember he hasnt started push festing yet.

[Raiser]

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Genuinely curious -- after 3 button pushes in a row aren't you worried that one of the blinds is just waiting to pull the trigger on you? I think Q,3s is a coin flip against a random hand but I'm wondering if by now one of them is completely zeroed in on you waiting for an A or K to fire back. Does this change anything, or is it still push city?

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Yes, I'm worried. That's why I posted this hand [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[tigerite]

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But in terms of hand strength it's a no brainer, also the OP has >6BB which is just not the time to be pushing from the button with crap like that. Also you are forgetting the likelihood of being called by Kx as well, which 87o is still behind, but A4 is ahead of, you can't think only of being dominated by another A all the time.

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Look at the BB's stack, are YOU calling with KT here? KJ?

For me KJ is a maybe, KT is a fold. Also remember he hasnt started push festing yet.

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Are you calling with A5-9 ish though? Probably not, so that only leaves AT-K that will be called and you're behind. Also you probably call with 66+ as pairs, well 87 is more ahead of A4 against exactly 66, but otherwise A4 has more suckout potential against the others even up to KK..

[durron597]

Hm, these arent the numbers I thought they were. Lets try two different ranges:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 67.2247 % [ 00.65 00.02 ] { AA-55, AKs-A8s, KQs-KJs, AKo-A9o, KQo }
Hand 2: 32.7753 % [ 00.31 00.02 ] { A4o }

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 67.7241 % [ 00.67 00.00 ] { AA-55, AKs-A8s, KQs-KJs, AKo-A9o, KQo }
Hand 2: 32.2759 % [ 00.32 00.00 ] { 87o }

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equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 70.7049 % [ 00.69 00.02 ] { AA-66, AKs-A9s, KQs, AKo-ATo }
Hand 2: 29.2951 % [ 00.27 00.02 ] { A4o }

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 69.3422 % [ 00.69 00.00 ] { AA-66, AKs-A9s, KQs, AKo-ATo }
Hand 2: 30.6578 % [ 00.30 00.00 ] { 87o }

[tigerite]

Hmmm, interesting. Well maybe it's not so bad a move then with 87o, but I still don't really like it.