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weak starting hand?
7 Card Stud High ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (hand converter)
3rd Street - (0.60 SB) Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Seat 4: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (2.60 SB) Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks 5th Street - (1.30 BB) Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks 6th Street - (1.30 BB) Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds River - (4.30 BB) Seat 1: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls Hero: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets Total pot: (7.30 BB) ok, I really don't like hands like this. I'm always uncertain what to do past 3rd unless I spike a pair. I think my dislike of the starting hand made me play this poorly. My thoughts: 3rd, My striaght outs are live, diamonds are live 3 big cards and with a 4 behind me I should get to see 4th cheap. 4th, no one caught anything they could like. I checked mainly because I was paying more attention to my cards than theirs and I was first to act. Who bets here? 5th, again apparent junk for everyone. Again I check. The pot is so small, do I really want to risk a bluff? 6th, easy bet 7th, don't think kings are gonna win so I decided to check/call, but now I'm thinking folding would have worked too given how small the pot was. |
#2
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Re: weak starting hand?
<font color="blue">7th, don't think kings are gonna win so I decided to check/call, but now I'm thinking folding would have worked too given how small the pot was.</font>
Pretty easy fold here IMO. |
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Re: weak starting hand?
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3rd Street - (0.60 SB) Seat 1: xx xx J___calls Hero: K A J___calls Seat 4: xx xx 4___folds Seat 5: xx xx 3___brings-in Seat 6: xx xx 6___calls Seat 8: xx xx 8___folds [/ QUOTE ] I play it the same for only the bring-in. Obviously, no one believes their hand is supreme and you have 2 fully live overcards to any of the other exposed door cards. [ QUOTE ] 6th Street - (1.30 BB) Seat 1: xx xx J 5 4 A___checks___calls Hero: K A J 8 7 K___bets Seat 5: xx xx 3 2 9 8___calls Seat 6: xx xx 6 4 2 9___folds [/ QUOTE ] The call by Seat 1 could be J's or a middle pair, but at this point I'm guessing that he has a gut shot draw. Somehow, you have to figure a way to get at least Seat 1 and hopefully one other to fold at this point. He pretty much tells you he doesn't have the A's, but you have certainly told everyone you have K's, maybe K's up. [ QUOTE ] River - (4.30 BB) Seat 1: xx xx J 5 4 A xx___checks___calls Hero: K A J 8 7 K 3___checks___calls Seat 5: xx xx 3 2 9 8 xx___bets [/ QUOTE ] Not knowing anything about Seat 5, I'm guessing he is value betting with 2 small pair to see if you hit 2 pair, but you have a borderline call for one bet (small pot). I can't imagine he's trying to bluff 2 people off of the pot on 7th with that junk in low limit. Seat 1 didn't improve his J's. |
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Re: weak starting hand?
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6th Street - (1.30 BB) Seat 1: xx xx J 5 4 A___checks___calls Hero: K A J 8 7 K___bets Seat 5: xx xx 3 2 9 8___calls Seat 6: xx xx 6 4 2 9___folds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The call by Seat 1 could be J's or a middle pair, but at this point I'm guessing that he has a gut shot draw. [/ QUOTE ] which gut shot are you putting him on? wheel or broadway? |
#5
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Re: weak starting hand?
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which gut shot are you putting him on? wheel or broadway? [/ QUOTE ] On 6th, my gut tells me a wheel with the A,4,5 in the door, but either way it's the same play; you've got to get him to go away. As I discussed later on 7th street, I changed my opinion of Seat 1 to be J's because of the call on 7th. The call actually seems to imply J's up, because had he hit either straight, he should have been raising. Had he missed the straight or only had J's, he should have folded. |
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Re: weak starting hand?
I'd call the river if the other guy had folded, but I wouldn't overcall. I don't think it is that close, unless these dudes can't surmise that you are likely to have kings (in which case it is close but maybe still a fold).
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Re: weak starting hand?
With a microscopic ante like that, you don't need to play hands like this at all- sit back and wait for big pairs, etc. But, this could conceivably fall under the 'play more hands against weak players' category- with passive/weak opponents like that, you can make marginal hands like this profitable if you play well on later streets. now about that...
If they wanna let you draw for free, take advantage. I think that the bet with the Ks on sixth was appropriate, but i don't know if i'd call the river bet- since you've basicly given away your hand on sixth and there are so many players still in, it's a good bet that someone has two pair- also, the pot is small enough that folding the best hand isn't the disasater that it normally is. I may be inclined to raise third with a hand like that and the board looking the way it does- three high unsuited cards are going to do better HU, hopefully against a small pair (tens or something like that would be best) i think your thought process on this hand is good. |
#8
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Re: weak starting hand?
You are probably better off folding unless your opponents are very weak and rarely raise on 3rd street. This hand is definitely playable in late position for a bring-in, but I feel you need to be an expert player to play this for profit from an early position with this structure.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Re: weak starting hand?
I agree, if I had this hand in early position it would go right into the muck as I am clearly no expert
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Re: weak starting hand?
I think here it should be mucked, since two others have already called, but I think if you can put in the first raise and try to get it heads up this hand is ok. Also, in this case, the ante is quite small, so you may just want to toss this anyways.
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