Drawing to overcards on the flop? Just a check-up.

[TommyO]

I can't believe folding for one bet getting 13:1 odds can be correct. I'd need to see at least a little bit of aggression before I fold this hand.

[AceHigh]

I'd call, you have 4-6 outs most likely and backdoor straight draw.

[bobbyi]

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I'd call, you have 4-6 outs most likely and backdoor straight draw.

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Your backdoor straight draw is a joke. You need the next two cards to be exactly 4-5, and if one of them (or, obviously, both) is a spade, you can lose anyway and even if not it is fairly likely that you will be chopping.

[scott8]

If you call, what are you hoping for on the turn?
Does an A give you the best hand?
These situations can bring even more trouble if you hit.
I mostly fold.

[AceHigh]

OK, but do you call or fold - I still think it's a call.

[scott8]

I don't.
He is not heads up, and sb still has to act.
What part of this flop do you like?
And how often do you have 6 outs in this situation?

[Masquerade]

Calling tells them you have overcards. So you wont get any action if one does turn - apart from hands which beat/tie you like UTG who might have overcards too as he'd surely raise an overpair.

I don't like the call. The small blind has caught something, probably the big blind too, plus theres a flush draw, plus a similar hand to your own. So doesnt seem the best spot to try to take it with a raise and bet on the turn either. Why not let this one go?

[lil feller]

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I can't believe folding for one bet getting 13:1 odds can be correct. I'd need to see at least a little bit of aggression before I fold this hand.

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It isn't just the one bet you have to consider, but the others its likely to cost you if you hit and still end up in 2nd place. With a flop of this texture this is a very likely possibility. Even if you improve, you still need to dodge the river (and with this many players that could be a lot of cards to dodge). It might seem like 13:1, but it isn't, and you can be pretty sure that you are not in front after that flop.

lf

[AceHigh]

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What part of this flop do you like?

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I like that the pot has 13 small bets in it. I like that none of the cards are in the playing zone. I like that no one has raised and I am almost closing the action by calling. I like that there is a decent chance the blind is betting a draw and I still have the best hand.

[AceHigh]

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Calling tells them you have overcards.

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Not if you have read SSHE. See the TT hand.