Easy QQ laydown?

marand · #1 07-03-2005, 04:05 PM

Both opponents are LAGish TAGs. (30/20/2)

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero caps, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB raises, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Obviously only the turn is interesting.
Easy laydown to the check/raise but can't fold to the donkbet?
Raising the turn seems over aggressive since I am not going to make SB fold an ace.
Thoughts?

baronzeus · #2 07-03-2005, 04:05 PM

I think so.

banks · #3 07-03-2005, 04:13 PM

what does he have that you beating if he three bets preflop and check raises the turn when the A falls??
wouldnt you see more aggression from a PP with this flop??

marand · #4 07-03-2005, 04:25 PM

I cannot beat anything that he is "representing". The only thing I can beat here is a "move". If he knew that I would fold a big pair to a check/raise it might be profitable for him to take a shot at the pot. But it seems like a rather costly bluff since the pot is 3-way so I am guessing the risk that he has less than a pair of aces is very small.

krishanleong · #5 07-03-2005, 04:27 PM

fold to the first bet on the flop?

Krishan

marand · #6 07-03-2005, 04:29 PM

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fold to the first bet on the flop?

Krishan

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I thought about folding to the first bet on the turn, but I wasn't convinced that BB actually had an ace. Thought it was fairly likely that he had a smaller pocket pair than me and didn't want to call two streets and instead bet out to find out where he was in the hand.

krishanleong · #7 07-03-2005, 04:36 PM

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fold to the first bet on the flop?

Krishan

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I thought about folding to the first bet on the turn, but I wasn't convinced that BB actually had an ace. Thought it was fairly likely that he had a smaller pocket pair than me and didn't want to call two streets and instead bet out to find out where he was in the hand.

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What are the odds that both the BB and SB don't have an ace? I don't think BB has an ace all the time either. But the combined chances make me a little worried.

Krishan

marand · #8 07-03-2005, 04:42 PM

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fold to the first bet on the flop?

Krishan

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I thought about folding to the first bet on the turn, but I wasn't convinced that BB actually had an ace. Thought it was fairly likely that he had a smaller pocket pair than me and didn't want to call two streets and instead bet out to find out where he was in the hand.

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What are the odds that both the BB and SB don't have an ace? I don't think BB has an ace all the time either. But the combined chances make me a little worried.

Krishan

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Well, yes I was more than a "little worried", but I just couldn't bring myself to fold on the first bet. I guess it's a fair chance that someone has the ace.

Perhaps folding to the first bet is best, but I think I might be too tight so I try to get to showdown "when in doubt" [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Rudis · #9 07-03-2005, 05:29 PM

Your only chance of winning this hand is raising the turn...and thats wrong.