Would you consider this to be an insult?

[tdarko]

wow, i actually read this entire thread and it's f'ing ridiculous. who the f*ck cares? human rain delay has been a joke used forever and dog or dawg or whatever slang people use today is accepted through entertainment, media etc. and it may not me right in your eyes but if you had any sense at all and have read at least one of daliman's posts you would understand that he is far from an ass or a racist.

untwist your panties people.

[MicroBob]

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So everyone has a degree of responsibility to not do things that if everyone did, the entire system would break down.

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Sorry guys - but I'm mostly agreeing with smoothcall on this issue (even though I wasn't there I think I know enough about it).

The players shouldn't have to rely on each other. The players are trying to BEAT each other.
I don't think she is gaining any advantage by doing it on the first day...but what if all she cares about is just bring the whole table to a disadvantage (as well as putting everyone on super-monkey-tilt to try to eliminate her just to get rid of her....hey, she had to get all those chips somehow).

Anyway - why is it incumbent on the players?
The tourney-directors and rules-makers HAVE to do something about this.
Hell, I bet there is NOTHING that says they can't make an adjustment about this mid-tourney if someone is playing outside the 'spirit of the rules.

They can 'make adjustments as they see fit'.
They can say 'it's obvious that you are stalling on each and every decision and this is not allowed. you are allowed to take time for certain decisions...but not on each and every play. if we deem that you are continuing to abuse this rule you will get a 10-minute penalty'

something like that.
they could at least warn her for crying-out loud.
they could do SOMETHING from discouraging her to do it besides calling the clock on her every 3 minutes.


She was doing a REALLY crappy thing by doing this over and over again (even on day 1). But THEY were the ones who were guilty of letting her continually get away with it.


Adjust the clock to 30 seconds in her case.
Tell her that she can request more time only once more per hour with additional more time if she's faced with a big bet.
Do SOMETHING reasonable to counter-act this instead of just blindly abiding by rules which are clearly not working.

I don't think they need to prevent themselves from making adjustments, even MID-tournament, to ensure that everyone is playing within the spirit of the rules.


Basically - she's an idiot. But there were almost 6k players in this tourney....why should ALL of them be expected to be sharp, polite and play with etiquette.
this is poker for crying-out loud and some people are just plain freaking dumb and rude.
Expecting the players themselves to all behave when you have 6000 of them is ridiculous.

People are there to enforce rules....so start enforcing them already. Or make them so that the game keeps moving.


As far as my understanding of the situation goes I think the WSOP really dropped the ball on this one.
Just as they dropped the ball on the heads-up situation where the one guy had to take a full 10 minute penalty (which is obviously a MUCH more costly penalty heads-up then it is 10-handed at the beginning).

[Randy_Refeld]

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Hell, I bet there is NOTHING that says they can't make an adjustment about this mid-tourney if someone is playing outside the 'spirit of the rules.

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When I have encountered a habitual staller I have made an announcement that all players are required to conduct themselves as ladies adn gentlemen at all times and that excessive stalling is not accpetable behavior and violators are subject to a 20 minute penalty.

[MicroBob]

exactly.

this would NOT have been out of the bounds of what the WSOP directors could have done.


they can warn her once or twice...and then after the 10th time of her going WAY over the line they could say, "Well....you can finish this hand and take your time (although the clock is running). but after that it's a 20 minute penalty because you have already been warned about continual stalling already and you still insist on conducting yourself inappropriately."


Tourney directors aren't powerless to the freaking players afterall.
The tourney directors HAVE the power as long as they are smart enough to figure out what common-sense dictates they should do.

[MMMMMM]

Microbob,

Yes, the TD's might have made a special rule just to deal with her;-) In hindsight, they probably should have.

Try for a moment considering her behavior as being part of a modified prisoner's dilemma question.

Granted, you can do EVERYTHING you possibly can to increase your own advantage at the expense of everyone else, let's see some suggestions:

1) Stall every hand, every decision

2) Always ask to see mucked cards in the showdown

3) Wear some superstrong-smelling perfume or cologne that bothers everybody but you

4) Talk loudly and incessantly whenever you are out of a hand and your opponents are trying to make critical decisions

5) Be a "personal-space hog" at the table, spreading out as mush as possible in an effort to make your neighbors uncomfortable

6) Cackle loudly whenever someone takes a really horrible beat but still has chips left

7) Eat garlic and anchovies, and never brush your teeth during the whole event

Now, those things aren't "against the rules". But are we all adults here or are we little spoiled brats? Should we do those things for our own advantage, or is it better for EVERYONE if we and others don't do such things (or at least, don't do such things much)?

And yeah, I do think someone who does a LOT of that stuff routinely deserves to be insulted, browbeaten, snubbed, shunned, and lampooned to the fullest extent of the law;-)

So, I think calling her "H-DOG" was very, very mild, considering her repeated and egregious offenses.