my first preflop question in a long time...

[mc1023]

even 27o I will call here just because showing something like that down could prove to be +ev on your future hands.

[stoxtrader]

I would call with anytwo.

[Shandrax]

You got 4 people in the pot already and five guys yet to make a decision. Your odds will be somewhere between 15:1 and 20:1 and there will be 6-9 players looking at the flop.

Your chances against flopping 2 pair are 49:1 and against a set are 73:1. This should show that calling with everything in a multiway-pot is wrong unless the pot is gigantic.

Against one or maybe two opponents it would be a totally different story of course.

[DcifrThs]

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I would call with anytwo.

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i know. and i know a few others who are good players do as well.

but if you have J2o (which is the hand i folded here btw) you're gunna be in some bad spots and with the pot that size you're gunna have to gamble some of the time not knowing whats out there...anyways, to you and everybody else who plays any to, do you really think 15:1 is enough?

Barron

[Tommy Angelo]

"name the hands you FOLD."

K8, K7, K6, K5, K4, K3, K2, QT, Q9, Q8, Q7, Q6, Q5, Q4, Q3, Q2, J10, J9, J8, J7, J6, J5, J4, J3, J2, T9, T8, T7, T6, T5, T4, T3, T2, 98, 97, 96, 95, 94, 93, 92, 87, 86, 85, 84, 83, 82, 76, 75, 74, 73, 72, 65, 64, 63, 62, 54, 53, 52, 43, 42,32

[bicyclekick]

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"name the hands you FOLD."

K8, K7, K6, K5, K4, K3, K2, QT, Q9, Q8, Q7, Q6, Q5, Q4, Q3, Q2, J10, J9, J8, J7, J6, J5, J4, J3, J2, T9, T8, T7, T6, T5, T4, T3, T2, 98, 97, 96, 95, 94, 93, 92, 87, 86, 85, 84, 83, 82, 76, 75, 74, 73, 72, 65, 64, 63, 62, 54, 53, 52, 43, 42,32

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I know you know I think this, but that hand selection is pretty bad, Tommy.

[Turning Stone Pro]

Remember when you used to open a nice, new pack of cards (when we used to actually handle packs of cards), and that weird Hoyle odds card would come out, usually right next to one of the jokers?

I would call with that card, and any other card from the deck.

TSP

[bicyclekick]

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Remember when you used to open a nice, new pack of cards (when we used to actually handle packs of cards), and that weird Hoyle odds card would come out, usually right next to one of the jokers?

I would call with that card, and any other card from the deck.

TSP

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[Turning Stone Pro]

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"name the hands you FOLD."

QT . . J10 . . T9 . . 98

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If this is intended to be serious advice, it is the worst advice from an ev perspective that I have ever seen on 2+2.

I wouldnt pay you $5.00 for your worthless opinions on poker, let alone $5k.

TSP

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"name the hands you FOLD."

QT . . J10 . . T9 . . 98

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If this is intended to be serious advice, it is the worst advice from an ev perspective that I have ever seen on 2+2.

I wouldnt pay you $5.00 for your worthless opinions on poker, let alone $5k.

TSP

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Another interesting aspect of tommys advice is that it implies that he will call with hands like Axo and K9o, and IMO, QT,JT,109,98,(especially the last 3) are all much better to call with in this situation than Axo or K9o.