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Old 06-17-2005, 06:17 AM
aK13 aK13 is offline
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Default My weak blind defense with ATs

BB is a fairly tight-aggressive (15/8.5/2) over about 100 hands, I suspected that he does adjust his raising standards based on position, and that he has just had a bad run of cards.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:20 AM
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Default Re: My weak blind defense with ATs

Why don't you fire at this flop?
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:24 AM
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Default Re: My weak blind defense with ATs

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Why don't you fire at this flop?

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Because I'm scared of the cap? and I didn't connect with the board...
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:27 AM
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Default Re: My weak blind defense with ATs

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Why don't you fire at this flop?

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Because I'm scared of the cap? and I didn't connect with the board...

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yeah, firing on the flop is only to assume Button isn't going to reraise. firing on the turn is probably the best idea, and if he calls, fire again on the river and hope to fold is AK.
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:35 AM
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Default Re: My weak blind defense with ATs

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Why don't you fire at this flop?

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Because I'm scared of the cap? and I didn't connect with the board...

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yeah, firing on the flop is only to assume Button isn't going to reraise. firing on the turn is probably the best idea, and if he calls, fire again on the river and hope to fold is AK.

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I was thinking of firing the turn, but I was quite afraid of a raise, and I didn't really know how to proceed if he did that -- basically, if he could be trying to steal again, or if he was pulling some weird slowplay move, so I just checked.

If villain bet at me, I probably would have peeled the flop, and if fired again on the turn, I'd fold.

If he fired the turn after the flop check, I probably would have called him down...not sure....

This hand really confused the hell outta me.
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:43 AM
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Default Re: My weak blind defense with ATs

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Why don't you fire at this flop?

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Because I'm scared of the cap? and I didn't connect with the board...

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yeah, firing on the flop is only to assume Button isn't going to reraise. firing on the turn is probably the best idea, and if he calls, fire again on the river and hope to fold is AK.

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I was thinking of firing the turn, but I was quite afraid of a raise, and I didn't really know how to proceed if he did that -- basically, if he could be trying to steal again, or if he was pulling some weird slowplay move, so I just checked.

If villain bet at me, I probably would have peeled the flop, and if fired again on the turn, I'd fold.

If he fired the turn after the flop check, I probably would have called him down...not sure....

This hand really confused the hell outta me.

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I think the best way to play this hand is betting the turn and checking the river through if called. This avoids facing a steal bet if you check the turn, and gives you max fold equity to a hand better than yours. Also, I dont think button wants to dick around with raising QJ on a steal after you just capped preflop, so betting here allows you to safely fold to a raise.
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:25 AM
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Default Re: My weak blind defense with ATs

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Why don't you fire at this flop?

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Firing at this flop will cause AJ, AQ, or AK to raise for a free card, and will cause 99-AA to raise as well, it does nothing, and hero still doesnt know if he can continue with trying to push button off a hand
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:28 AM
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Default Re: My weak blind defense with ATs

I guess I play differently then you guys. You're calling a cap PF and willing to check it down?
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:32 AM
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Default Re: My weak blind defense with ATs

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I guess I play differently then you guys. You're calling a cap PF and willing to check it down?

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apparently you do. you like bettting into a preflop capper after missing the entire flop and then, i'd assume you'd fold to a reraise? you wasted money for nothing.

and i suggested firing on the turn and river, not for value, but fold as he seems to be playing his AK weakly and you could have fold equity here.
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Old 06-17-2005, 06:33 AM
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Default Re: My weak blind defense with ATs

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I guess I play differently then you guys. You're calling a cap PF and willing to check it down?

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apparently you do. you like bettting into a preflop capper after missing the entire flop and then, i'd assume you'd fold to a reraise? you wasted money for nothing.

and i suggested firing on the turn and river, not for value, but fold as he seems to be playing his AK weakly and you could have fold equity here.

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If he calls on the turn, he'll probably call again on the river, I take one shot on the turn and then check it down and give up
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