Isolating @ the bubble

suited_ace · #1 10-29-2005, 08:54 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t3830)
Hero (t2459)
BB (t1440)
UTG (t271)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t271 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t271, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2459 (All-In)</font>.

I had lots of FE, but is this +EV?

tigerite · #2 10-29-2005, 09:32 PM

If button's not a complete donk and won't call with stuff like Q 9 soooted (I've seen it, believe me) then this is fine.

Simplistic · #3 10-29-2005, 09:39 PM

as an aside you want him to call with Q9.

I don't mind the push. especially 4 handed. I might re-raise to 1000 or something, give myself some room to fold if button decides to re-pop.

darkcore · #4 10-29-2005, 09:57 PM

i am a noob at sngs so could you please explain why you want to push here?

the main goal seems to knock utg out and get in the money, right? and your chances to knock him out are higher with the button still in the hand, right?
so it seems to me it's a call or fold situation preflop. i'd choose to call because the T127 won't hurt me. postflop i would ether push in case i hit or check/fold if i miss.

or am i completely off the track? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Simplistic · #5 10-29-2005, 10:58 PM

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i am a noob at sngs so could you please explain why you want to push here?

the main goal seems to knock utg out and get in the money, right? and your chances to knock him out are higher with the button still in the hand, right?
so it seems to me it's a call or fold situation preflop. i'd choose to call because the T127 won't hurt me. postflop i would ether push in case i hit or check/fold if i miss.

or am i completely off the track? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]I hadn't thought about this aspect of the hand.

my view is that generally if there's 4 left then your opponents will play you hard, i.e. not check things down hoping to get ITM. in this way by pushing you pick up the button's dead chips if he folds and you also get great odds in the actual hand.

the downside is the small stack has a greater chance of survival due to the buttons hand not being live. i guess it's player dependent.

Simplistic · #6 10-29-2005, 10:59 PM

i'm predicting that the button had a big pair and tried to trap people into coming over the top/coming into the hand.

ChrisV · #7 10-30-2005, 09:31 AM

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as an aside you want him to call with Q9.

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What? You're crazy. That's a complete disaster. When UTG flips over A4o and the flop comes AQ3 I can promise you won't be giggling at his call.

tigerite · #8 10-30-2005, 09:35 AM

That's what I thought too, figured I must've been missing something [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Yeah, on reflection I would say a call is better too.

Simplistic · #9 10-30-2005, 02:54 PM

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as an aside you want him to call with Q9.

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What? You're crazy. That's a complete disaster. When UTG flips over A4o and the flop comes AQ3 I can promise you won't be giggling at his call.

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hahah. get your money in while you're ahead.

#10 10-30-2005, 12:43 PM

It'd be terrible if he called with Q9. 88 doesn't fare that well against four overcards.