JTs hand from 30+3 deepstack

Black Aces 518 · #1 11-20-2005, 10:16 PM

300 or so remain from 780. I have around 22K chips after losing a race a couple of hands ago, JJ to AKs. I am around 65th in chips. Blinds are 100-200.

I get JcTc in MP1 and limp. Awful, good, medium? The table was not too aggressive, and there had been multiway limped pots. They were fairly loose at calling raises, and I didn't want to muck this with my stack.

CO raises to 800. BB calls. This is a call, yes?

2500 in the pot.

Flop comes J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB checks. My plan?

Black Aces 518 · #2 11-21-2005, 01:08 PM

Forgot to add that BB has around 9K chips and CO has around 16K. Anyone?

Black Aces 518 · #3 11-22-2005, 01:28 PM

Hate to do this, but I'll bump once for responses. Is this just too standard, or too awful, or?

mts · #4 11-22-2005, 01:41 PM

call less and raise more. you'll notice a difference.

ansky451 · #5 11-22-2005, 01:46 PM

I'd raise pf, but thats a style question I guess.

On the flop, I'd put in a pot sized check raise, and call a push.

Black Aces 518 · #6 11-22-2005, 01:54 PM

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call less and raise more. you'll notice a difference.

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mts, I agree with you for sure. That's why this hand really stuck out for me, it was the only hand that I open-limped in the tourney after the first level or so.

Raising felt bad due to my position, the fact that I had been a pretty active raiser, and that raising hadn't been effective in winning the pot uncontested at this table.

Black Aces 518 · #7 11-22-2005, 01:57 PM

ansky-

in a lot of situations, I'm with you. There were specific factors that I (correctly or incorrectly) weighed and called. It felt weird and I thought of posting at the time, and see what the consensus was. I laughed when the flop came, because I knew it made it interesting to post. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

What is your reasoning on check-raising the pot, vs check-pushing if you are going to call a push anyway? Do you think a check-push is more easily readable as a flush draw? Wouldn't you want to maximize fold equity, or do you think your hand is good enough here that you don't care about FE?

Thanks.