QQ out of the bb $55, extracting value

Maulik · #1 09-13-2005, 07:34 PM

my thoughts during this hand, if I raise, I'm OOP and if I check I'll be able to extract chips by disguising this hand. 2 limpers will not make it too dangerous to play this hand on the flop. I elect to check/call the flop. On the turn, I'm thinking a mini-raise may be good, and a block bet on the river regardless.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t985)
MP3 (t1060)
CO (t975)
Button (t600)
SB (t1390)
Hero (t1000)
UTG (t820)
UTG+1 (t985)
MP1 (t2185)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, [color=#666666]2 folds, MP2 calls t15, 4 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t52.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets t55, Hero calls t55, UTG folds.

Turn: (t162.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t100, Hero calls t100.

River: (t362.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero blocking/value bet?



on the river when the scare card hits, it seems as though I've been drawing and hit so its unlikely i'll be re-raised.

Unarmed · #2 09-13-2005, 07:44 PM

Dude, WTF are you doing? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Maulik · #3 09-13-2005, 07:47 PM

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Dude, WTF are you doing? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I don't know, I think I'm extracting some value here. are we talking about not raising PF?

I realise its the most draw heavy board possible.

Maulik · #4 09-13-2005, 07:48 PM

btw you don't have to change the post for me!

MegaBet · #5 09-13-2005, 08:05 PM

Yeah, raise preflop, but in this situation bet 100 (value) on the river and call any raise.

SCfuji · #6 09-13-2005, 08:08 PM

so hero bets 100 villain pushes all in and we call? i dont see hero being ahead at all if that happens on the river.

MegaBet · #7 09-13-2005, 08:09 PM

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so hero bets 100 villain pushes all in and we call? i dont see hero being ahead at all if that happens on the river.

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I do, a vast majority of the time.

SCfuji · #8 09-13-2005, 08:17 PM

well if we include the river bet that leaves hero with about 700 chips and if the villain pushes over he will leave hero severely crippled. the raise will be 600 + the 100 to call so with a pot of close to 600 hero is rougly getting 2:1 (i think). i am having a difficult time finding hero to be good here a third of the time.

if we had a solid read that the villain could be bluffing here then the call would be partly justified. it just doesn't seem like a call is profitable given the way hero played the hand. my standard line when i check big pairs or limp them is to check and call all streets if the bets are reasonable.

MegaBet · #9 09-13-2005, 08:20 PM

Unarmed, where did your post go? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

#10 09-13-2005, 08:28 PM

I would raise preflop to 60-80, U don't want someone with a 7-2 limping and hitting 2 pair. Then make pot size bet on flop, pot size the turn and check the river if he has called all the way you could be beat. I would not call an all in on the river, unless I had a read on the guy, but this early in the tourney probably not.