Big pot with TPTK

[Isura]

Villain sat down this orbit. All my hand posts seem to be with no reads.. I hate 100bb stacks, I don't see a way I can control the pot here and still protect my hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($111.80)
SB ($94.40)
BB ($30.10)
UTG ($84.60)
UTG+1 ($100)
UTG+2 ($124.35)
MP1 ($102.80)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($96)</font>
MP3 ($120.40)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($104.10)</font>

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $6, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($15.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, CO calls $12.

Turn: ($39.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25</font>, CO calls $25.

River: ($89.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO bets $61.60 (all-in), <font color="#CC3333">Hero calls $53 (all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $89.50

[DJ Sensei]

I don't see much any way around this one. Maybe a river blocking bet, but your stack isnt really deep enough for a good one. Lousy TPTK, always getting us into trouble...

[Maulik]

The problem is, if you check the river he's betting any Queen and you feel obligate to call. Any bet and he may not call without the 8.

In any event, I bet more on the turn.

Why didn't you rebuy [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] It would have cost you $4 more! I don't think calling the river is 'solid' but not always certain. Tough spot =[

[Isura]

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In any event, I bet more on the turn.

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That commits us to calling the river anyways, no?

[Maulik]

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In any event, I bet more on the turn.

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That commits us to calling the river anyways, no?

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It definately does, but at least you've got more money in before the draw hits or the river pairs.

[soah]

The turn bet really messed this hand up. A flush draw is probably going to stay in for that price, which means you have no idea where you're at on nearly any river card. I'd bet more on the turn and then just put in the rest on any river card (assuming you're willing to put in your entire stack). I don't like checking the river because your opponent will generally call with more hands than he'll bet with in this spot, but it's sorta messed up by the fact that he might still be in there on a flush draw (I don't think a flush draw bluffs often enough to make this a check though).

Another option with these stack sizes is to checkraise all-in on the turn, although I don't know if typical players in this game are aggressive enough to make this your best move.

I don't like playing pots this big with one pair but as far as I can see, the only two ways to avoid it here are to find a way to fold postflop, or to change your preflop play.

seriously? everyone calls this, without reads? if you're gonna call anyway, a block seems to be sooo in order. since you didn't, i'd seriously fold. i refuse to believe that two lousy queens is good here more than ~40% of the time.

[soah]

With those numbers why would you fold?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

gawd i'm sorry, it's 09:00 in the morning here in sweden and i've just finished a looooooooooooong session. well disregard. i don't think we're good often enough anyway.

[Supern]

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I hate 100bb stacks

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I have been thinking about how big the buy-in stack should be. If you are a good player but perhaps not the best player at the table, it seems like it's better to go with a medium stack around 50 bb instead. That way you still cover most of the poor players and you don't risk as much against the good players.

Thoughts?