Trouble with TPGK (KQs)

orange · #1 12-10-2005, 05:44 PM

No reads. I'm constantly having trouble with these TPTK hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($24.50)
Button ($26.12)
SB ($23.53)
BB ($16.45)
UTG ($14.03)
UTG+1 ($12.45)
MP1 ($40)
MP2 ($20)
MP3 ($8.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.75, 3 folds, MP1 calls $1.50, MP3 folds.

Flop: ($4.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets $3, Hero raises to $9, MP1 calls $6.

Turn: ($22.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets $5 Hero ??.

#2 12-10-2005, 05:53 PM

Preflop is sublime, obviously. On the flop you came hard, and he didn't leave. When he called, I would put him on the FD, but if you call his turn you need to push, he covers you big time, and you are short stacked either wa/wb. This is a split between folding and pushing for me.

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GrunchCan · #3 12-10-2005, 05:53 PM

I call. I don't want to re-open the betting, and this hand has some showdown value. I'm going to show this hand down as cheaply as possible, and I'm not going to try to take this pot away from him. If he checks the river, I check behind. If he bets half pot, I call. More than half pot gets in to judgement calls & depends on the opponent.

#4 12-10-2005, 06:05 PM

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Preflop is sublime, obviously. On the flop you came hard, and he didn't leave. When he called, I would put him on the FD, but if you call his turn you need to push, he covers you big time, and you are short stacked either wa/wb. This is a split between folding and pushing for me.

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No way am I folding to that bet. to me the difference is between calling and pushing. I'm leaning a bit more towards a push

#5 12-10-2005, 06:07 PM

Your probably right about not folding, but minraises this late raise the hair on the back of my neck. I'm a weak tight one though.

Isura · #6 12-10-2005, 07:57 PM

Push the turn. This bet is almost always some kind of draw, or weaker pair + draw.

Godfather80 · #7 12-10-2005, 08:07 PM

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Your probably right about not folding, but minraises this late raise the hair on the back of my neck. I'm a weak tight one though.

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Where is the min-raise exactly?

Your stack size dictates a push as calling leaves you with an ~$8 stack on the river, which is going in anyway due to your hand strength and the pot size.

#8 12-10-2005, 08:20 PM

I would not raise here preflop but I don't mind it.

On the turn half your stack is in the pot, you have a good hand, any better hand is going to get all in against you, and you have a very vulnerable hand. You are pot commited, so go all in.

I would have called preflop to keep the pot small and allow myself to fold if I flop top pair.

GrunchCan · #9 12-10-2005, 08:28 PM

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Push the turn. This bet is almost always some kind of draw, or weaker pair + draw.

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Are we rooting for a fold?

orange · #10 12-10-2005, 08:51 PM

I raise all in. I'm insta-called by AK. I lose. I was thinking maybe I play these TPTK hands too fast/hard. As of late, I've been getting my ass raped.

Am I under the wrong when thinking that TPTK at these stakes is almost always golden?