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Old 11-22-2005, 12:43 AM
TheMainEvent TheMainEvent is offline
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Default Big draw OOP against a possible steal

Just sat down

OK so I played passively on the flop, now I'm heads up with a villian who could be quite weak. I feel like I need to make a play for this pot, what is my plan for the turn?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:51 AM
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Default Re: Big draw OOP against a possible steal

I don't think we can make a play at the pot here without a read.

edit: I'd usually lead the flop here, but I don't mind checking and planning to raise with enough callers.
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:53 AM
Greg J Greg J is offline
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Default Re: Big draw OOP against a possible steal

I usually just lead this flop. If it's HU on the turn after that I lead into him again, unless he raised the flop. In that case I check fold and either check fold or check raise the river depending on whether I hit one of my draws.
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: Big draw OOP against a possible steal

I usually bet this flop.
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Old 11-22-2005, 01:00 AM
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Default Re: Big draw OOP against a possible steal

lead flop
lead turn
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Old 11-22-2005, 01:26 AM
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I don't lead this flop.
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Old 11-22-2005, 01:39 AM
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I don't lead this flop.

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5 players and a fd+bdsd. why not?
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Old 11-22-2005, 02:06 AM
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Default Re: Big draw OOP against a possible steal

I lead the flop, and I'll c/c the turn w/o a read. People just don't fold all that much. If you want to try and fold him, I think a c/r is your best bet. You're not sad about getting a free card.
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: Big draw OOP against a possible steal

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I don't lead this flop.

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5 players and a fd+bdsd. why not?

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In a 5.5SB pot, what, in all seriousness, does a bet into 4 opponents acheive?
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Old 11-22-2005, 05:01 AM
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Default Re: Big draw OOP against a possible steal

You have fold equity. You can clean up Jack outs. It'd be nice to fold JTo instead of letting it check through. Also, you're getting value when they call. You're also making it correct to call your draw on later streets if you pick up some loose calls here on the flop.

I'm not sure if any of this is coming out right, but I'm pretty sure betting is much better than checking.
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