Assessment - Page 3

Greg J · #21 11-12-2005, 02:47 PM

I'm not an expert, but as I understand it, variance in hold em goes something like this:

Multi table tournies >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>> Limit HE >>> NLHE > SnGs

If this is any way inaccurate someone will (and should) come behind and correct me.

MicroBob · #22 11-12-2005, 08:01 PM

Yeah...that's pretty much my understanding as well.

you can also obviously toss-in a:

Heads-up limit > 6-max limit > full-ring limit

FlyWf · #23 11-13-2005, 12:03 AM

The OP is currently rolled for at least he $22s, even the $33s if he feels frisky. I'm pretty sure earning potential at the $33s is higher than 2/4, with lower variance.

SmileyEH · #24 11-13-2005, 05:11 PM

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The OP is currently rolled for at least he $22s, even the $33s if he feels frisky. I'm pretty sure earning potential at the $33s is higher than 2/4, with lower variance.

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I'd tend to disagree although it's pretty close either way. You are correct about the variance aspect though.

-SmileyEH

ggbman · #25 11-13-2005, 05:41 PM

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The OP is currently rolled for at least he $22s, even the $33s if he feels frisky. I'm pretty sure earning potential at the $33s is higher than 2/4, with lower variance.

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Having done both, i can tell you that this is incorrect. ($$$ wise)

stillbr · #26 11-13-2005, 09:10 PM

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The OP is currently rolled for at least he $22s, even the $33s if he feels frisky. I'm pretty sure earning potential at the $33s is higher than 2/4, with lower variance.

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Having done both, i can tell you that this is incorrect. ($$$ wise)

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Same here.

Jgents · #27 11-13-2005, 11:55 PM

Bonuswhore (Poker/Casino) your way to like 4-5k (or more) easily in less than one months time. Nothing easier.

lehighguy · #28 11-14-2005, 03:27 AM

I've played SNGs and they have the highest variance except for MTTs. You can read threads about it in the SnG forum.

ggbman · #29 11-14-2005, 04:45 AM

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So, on to rebuilding. You need to have at least 600 BB for any stake level you play. Go to 2-4 right now. Play there until you get like a 3k role and move to 3-6. You can be at 5-10 within 2-3 months, and once you get there its more than possible to make $80-$125/hour there. You can rebuild your role quickly there.

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This is very good advice.

We were talking about this on IRC, and kurosh was talking about being back to 10k within a month. Of course, at the time you didn't include your bank account in there, and given that it might be doable if you start at 3/6 6m. But personally, I'd leave your bank account alone, drop your rakeback into PP when you get it, and just grind at 2/4 until you have 500 BB, then move up to 3/6 6m, play til you have 500 BB, etc etc. Maybe even make it 600 BB for 6m. If you don't want to have to move down ever again, you really need to maintain a huge bankroll.

If you want to get back up there as soon as possible, you could move up whenever you have 300 BB for the next level, but that's sort of what has you in this situation in the first place, isn't it? Like everyone's saying, this is a good time to force yourself to accept bankroll management. While it may cost you in opportunity cost, if you don't start properly managing your bankroll now, you're going to continually find yourself losing out in opportunities in the future after you hit a downswing.

Take it slow. Grind it out. Rebuild, and you'll be back to 5/10 or 10/20 fairly soon.

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Yeah, not trying to be a nut buster here, but setting a goal to make it back to 10k in a month will be contigent on running good and moving up too fast. You're young, emhpasize learning the game better and learning from your mistakes. Work on your stream contol, and move up more gradually. I can tell you this; there are always going to be people who make more money than me because they are willing to take some chances. But you don't hear about the ones who run up 6 figure roles and lose it all back because they don't know when to settle down.

It's good that your willing to take chances, but sometimes the hardest thing to do is make yourself take less chances. This is such a long term game. Last month i had horrid results at 100/200, and i am confident that i was a winner in the lineups i was playing. So i made myself move down, and this month i've been doing extremely well playing lower. Dont think about getting a certain amount of $$$, focus on playing poker and the rest will come.

kurosh · #30 11-14-2005, 05:00 AM

I need to post this to feel better. I had 400BB for 3/6, then this:

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls $1.50 (All-In), UTG calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (15.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has 7s 8d (high card, king).
UTG has Ks Kc (three of a kind, kings).
Hero has Js Jc (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins 17.75 BB. 

villain is crazy aggro

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, Button caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Ad (one pair, kings).
Button has 5d Qd (straight, king high).
Outcome: Button wins 14.50 BB. 

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kd Ad (one pair, kings).
UTG has Ah 9s (straight, ten high).
Outcome: UTG wins 14.50 BB. 

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Jd Th (straight, ace high).
Hero has Ah Kc (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: SB wins 14 BB. 

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, SB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Qh 8c (straight, king high).
Hero has 9s 9c (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: SB wins 8 BB. 

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) [url:http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter]FTR converter on zerodivide.cx[/url]

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has 2s 5s (straight, six high).
Hero has Kc Ks (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: UTG wins 7.66 BB. 

That was the worst of it... 400 hands -12.40BB/100. At least now I'm more confident I'm running bad and not a losing player. Back to 2/4.