HU: River Action

[Spladle Master]

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I think that the villain has 45 here very often, therefore i think that you CANT be bluffing (at least not profitably), between the times that he calls w/ sets (not very often, only his higher ones), and the times when he has the nuts. A thinking player should be able to realize this and fold most of his hands. Thinking players dont go broke in limped in pots against the obvious nuts very often.

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This hand was played heads-up. As in, only two hands were dealt.

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This hand was played heads-up. As in, only two hands were dealt.

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your an idiot.

To the OP; what would you do w/ 22 in villain's spot (after your river push)? What do you think most fairly solid players (as you described this one) would do? There are times when a push is ok, but early into a heads-up with a TAG, decent opponent, whom isnt tilted (and doesnt think you are) i doubt that a push is anywhere near the most profitable line.

[etizzle]

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seems pretty reasonable/TAGish, the kind of guy i dont think you have a huge edge against.


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I CR allin

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= huh?

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im more likely to get called here by a thinking player than a mediocre 10-20 player, right?

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I think that the villain has 45 here very often, therefore i think that you CANT be bluffing (at least not profitably), between the times that he calls w/ sets (not very often, only his higher ones), and the times when he has the nuts. A thinking player should be able to realize this and fold most of his hands. Thinking players dont go broke in limped in pots against the obvious nuts very often.

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personally i instacall here with A8, A6, and all sets

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personally i instacall here with A8, A6, and all sets

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And expect to see?

[mikech]

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personally i instacall here with A8, A6, and all sets

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And expect to see?

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a busted flush? worse 2pr? if you're folding a set on that board where exactly ONE straight is possible--in a hu match no less--you're out of your mind.

[Spladle Master]

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your an idiot.

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Sweet, sweet irony.

[fsuplayer]

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seems pretty reasonable/TAGish, the kind of guy i dont think you have a huge edge against.


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and

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I CR allin

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= huh?

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im more likely to get called here by a thinking player than a mediocre 10-20 player, right?

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I think that the villain has 45 here very often, therefore i think that you CANT be bluffing (at least not profitably), between the times that he calls w/ sets (not very often, only his higher ones), and the times when he has the nuts. A thinking player should be able to realize this and fold most of his hands. Thinking players dont go broke in limped in pots against the obvious nuts very often.

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personally i instacall here with A8, A6, and all sets

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this is exactly what i was thinking as well.

to those of you who wouldnt go broke with a set there, well, stick to full games bc you will get run over folding in these spots.

his turn/river bet was really what lead me to CR all in as an overbet.

he slightly overbet the turn, which is often a tell of strength. his river bet was also quite strong, not some 'please call me with an '8' bc I have a crappy ace' value bet. it reeked of strength.

after I moved in, he thinks for almost the whole time (which now a days isnt much) and calls with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].


thanks for the responses.

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Does a decent tag villain bet near the pot last on the river w a real hand if he puts hero on a busted draw?

Does a decent tag villain continue to try to bully on the river(by betting 350 on 365 pot) last w air after strongly betting at hero's weakness on turn and getting called?

I think the answer to both of these is no. So I don't think villain is a decent h2h player for this limit so I read his betting as having a weak hand and not wanting a call. So what is the most likely raise to get called? The smallest, of course. So min raise.

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Does a decent tag villain bet near the pot last on the river w a real hand if he puts hero on a busted draw?


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a draw is one possibility, but so is an 8, a weak ace etc. this is HU, im checking calling the turn with more than just draws.

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Does a decent tag villain continue to try to bully on the river(by betting 350 on 365 pot) last w air after strongly betting at hero's weakness on turn and getting called?

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yes, of course people bluff on the river. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] in full games as well as SH'd and even more in HU.

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So I don't think villain is a decent h2h player for this limit so I read his betting as having a weak hand and not wanting a call. So what is the most likely raise to get called? The smallest, of course. So min raise.


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wow.

since when does a weak hand who is bluffing the river going to call a raise?? his bets told me either a ton of strength, or nothing at all.

i lose nothing if he has air and folds, and as etizzle said, aces up has a real tough time folding here and a set doesnt.

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C/R is by far the best river play. He will bet many hands he cannot call a bet with ($$) and you get more value out of aces up, which will rarely raise a 'real' lead but will occasionally call a check-raise. He goes broke with a set either way. You lose some value vs. an ace w/an unpaired kicker that will check behind (but sometimes bet?) but look you up, but I don't think he has a hand like that often enough given the action for it to sway your decision.

If he calls any check-raise at all he calls all-in. Definite shove.