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Old 10-24-2005, 03:39 AM
2+2 wannabe 2+2 wannabe is offline
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Why do you think a TAG would check AK here on the turn?

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TAGs bet this turn with AK about 95% of the time
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Old 10-24-2005, 03:40 AM
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I like it - standard WA/WB

villain will bet this river a huge percentage of the time on a bluff/for value

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Why do you think a TAG would check AK here on the turn?

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TAGs bet this turn with AK about 95% of the time

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Agree on both points here. I don't mind a flop raise but I hate getting 3-bet and laying down to the turn when we could have 5 outs to improve or even have the best hand.
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Old 10-24-2005, 03:51 AM
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Raise the river.
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:01 AM
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Raise the river.

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Hands I beat fold and hands that beat me call.
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:28 AM
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Villain is TAGish and has appeared a bit tricky.

Let's just say that he has AA. The standard play for XYZ player would be to bet the turn. A tricky player will commonly check the turn (as they should IMO). Checking behind is a good way to avoid the trap, but if he makes this play with AA/KK and AK-AQ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] you are in a really shitty spot (assuming he check/raises them all). In general I like calling and checking against a tricky player and I feel like it is the right play here. But someone who check/raises both big overpairs and flush draws will be impossible to beat. After thinking about it some I'm feel like these types of moves are going to be a staple in my LHE game. It is all about mixing it up (against better players that is).

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Old 10-24-2005, 04:34 AM
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Raise the river.

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Hands I beat fold and hands that beat me call.

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I'm not so sure that hands that beat you call. I think we fold overpairs like JJ-KK regularly. Its worth paying an extra bet if we're calling to fold hands that beat us.
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:45 AM
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Why didn't you raise this flop?
Why didn't you bet the turn?
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:46 AM
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Explain to me how this flop is standard please? We have TPTK and we don't think we have the best hand?

If we think we have the best hand and are waiting for a turn raise that's fine. But when it's checked to us we give villan a free card?
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:48 AM
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Then he's spewing unless he's got AK[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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Old 10-24-2005, 04:53 AM
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Why didn't you raise this flop?
Why didn't you bet the turn?

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We're behind most 3-bet hands. Our goal is to get to a showdown as cheapily as possible.
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