The Sucker Project 2.1

[stupidsucker]

Original post (SP 1.0)

This project is on a tangent I don't want already, but I am going to get back on track.

Here are the 4 tables from yesterday ni entirety.

I am looking for general play right now. Not every perfect play. I just need to gain some confidence back first.

Here are links to full HHs.

35055
35064
35240
35241

[bluef0x]

I looked at 3 HH's (I just scanned down till I saw your chip count jump up or down. The first two it seemed you played well just got sucked out on by complete idiots. The third HH I found some weird stuff.

#Game No : 2853204629
***** Hand History for Game 2853204629 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16456145 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Friday, October 14, 15:59:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 35240 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: P0t_Commit3d ( $3855 )
Seat 4: swebear ( $611 )
Seat 1: fishbone888 ( $1377 )
Seat 9: DaddysQtrs ( $2157 )
Trny:16456145 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P0t_Commit3d [ 6s Ks ]
fishbone888 raises [475].
P0t_Commit3d is all-In [3855]
swebear folds.
DaddysQtrs folds.
fishbone888 is all-In [902]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, Kd, 7c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
fishbone888 shows [ Ah, Ad ] three of a kind, aces.
P0t_Commit3d shows [ 6s, Ks ] a pair of kings.
P0t_Commit3d wins 2478 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
fishbone888 wins 2979 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, aces.
Game #2853204933 starts.

Can you explain what you were thinking here??!?!


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#Game No : 2853200611
***** Hand History for Game 2853200611 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16456145 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Friday, October 14, 15:54:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 35240 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: P0t_Commit3d ( $2540 )
Seat 4: swebear ( $686 )
Seat 1: fishbone888 ( $1127 )
Seat 9: DaddysQtrs ( $2107 )
Seat 2: Olger ( $1540 )
Trny:16456145 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P0t_Commit3d [ 7h Ah ]
>You have options at Table 35241 Table!.
swebear folds.
>You have options at Table 35055 Table!.
DaddysQtrs folds.
fishbone888 calls [100].
Olger folds.
P0t_Commit3d checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 7c, Qs ]
P0t_Commit3d checks.
fishbone888 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
P0t_Commit3d bets [125].
fishbone888 folds.
P0t_Commit3d does not show cards.
P0t_Commit3d wins 375 chips
Game #2853201024 starts.

Personally I would bet the flop, 2nd pair headsup is usually good. If you're going to bet any turn (That was the worst card that could have came up besides the Ks) you might as well bet the flop when your hand is better.

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#Game No : 2853205654
***** Hand History for Game 2853205654 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16456145 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Friday, October 14, 16:00:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 35240 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: P0t_Commit3d ( $2478 )
Seat 4: swebear ( $386 )
Seat 1: fishbone888 ( $2754 )
Seat 9: DaddysQtrs ( $2382 )
Trny:16456145 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P0t_Commit3d [ 9c As ]
fishbone888 folds.
P0t_Commit3d is all-In [2478]
swebear folds.
DaddysQtrs folds.
P0t_Commit3d does not show cards.
P0t_Commit3d wins 2703 chips
Game #2853205946 starts.

Can someone post there thoughts on this? At first I thought this was crazy because your risking your tourney to gain a small amount- but is this +EV due to swebear being extremely short?

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#Game No : 2853206996
***** Hand History for Game 2853206996 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16456145 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Friday, October 14, 16:02:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 35240 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: P0t_Commit3d ( $2292 )
Seat 4: swebear ( $397 )
Seat 1: fishbone888 ( $3054 )
Seat 9: DaddysQtrs ( $2257 )
Trny:16456145 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P0t_Commit3d [ Jh 3h ]
P0t_Commit3d raises [475].
swebear folds.
DaddysQtrs has been reconnected and has 20 seconds to act.
DaddysQtrs folds.
fishbone888 calls [275].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 8h, Ac ]
fishbone888 checks.
P0t_Commit3d checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
fishbone888 checks.
>You have options at Table 35055 Table!.
P0t_Commit3d bets [225].
fishbone888 folds.
P0t_Commit3d does not show cards.
P0t_Commit3d wins 1275 chips
Game #2853207716 starts.

I don't understand this play..

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#Game No : 2853209473
***** Hand History for Game 2853209473 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16456145 Level:7 Blinds(150/300) - Friday, October 14, 16:05:26 EDT 2005
Table Table 35240 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: P0t_Commit3d ( $3167 )
Seat 4: swebear ( $697 )
Seat 1: fishbone888 ( $2179 )
Seat 9: DaddysQtrs ( $1957 )
Trny:16456145 Level:7
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P0t_Commit3d [ Qd 8h ]
P0t_Commit3d is all-In [3167]
swebear folds.
DaddysQtrs folds.
fishbone888 folds.
P0t_Commit3d does not show cards.
P0t_Commit3d wins 3617 chips
Game #2853209699 starts.

Can someone run this in SNGPT ?

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#Game No : 2853214273
***** Hand History for Game 2853214273 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16456145 Level:9 Blinds(250/500) - Friday, October 14, 16:11:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 35240 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 3: P0t_Commit3d ( $5492 )
Seat 1: fishbone888 ( $2508 )
Trny:16456145 Level:9
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P0t_Commit3d [ Ac Tc ]
P0t_Commit3d raises [1250].
fishbone888 calls [1000].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 6h, 5s ]
fishbone888 is all-In [1008]
P0t_Commit3d calls [1008].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kc ]
fishbone888 shows [ 8s, Js ] a pair of eights.
P0t_Commit3d shows [ Ac, Tc ] high card ace.
fishbone888 wins 5016 chips from the main pot with a pair of eights.
Game #2853214748 starts.

You have to push this.

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Someone else review the 3rd HH, I'd like to see more opinions [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[stupidsucker]

In my set all of the other tables were much faster. This table I played almost as a single from level 4 up. I watched each player.

When I have a single table. I study intently. I want to know what they think,and what they think about me.Watch the HH again hand for hand and see if you pick up any reads.

I felt I could weild my big stack here and exploit the shorty.

[bluef0x]

I reviewed a few hands higher and I must say it made me hate your play even more. He seemed pretty tight and only showed pushing all-in (never raise/fold) which to me shows he understands a pushbot strategy PERHAPS. Obviously he woulda pushed all-in here with a decent hand, instead he makes a modest raise- I would give him credit and fold. What are you hoping he has? The worst I could see him raising with is like QJs- and your lucky if he has that. Your down to any ace a great deal. fold.

[stupidsucker]

[ QUOTE ]
#Game No : 2853204629
***** Hand History for Game 2853204629 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16456145 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Friday, October 14, 15:59:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 35240 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: P0t_Commit3d ( $3855 )
Seat 4: swebear ( $611 )
Seat 1: fishbone888 ( $1377 )
Seat 9: DaddysQtrs ( $2157 )
Trny:16456145 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P0t_Commit3d [ 6s Ks ]
fishbone888 raises [475].
P0t_Commit3d is all-In [3855]
swebear folds.
DaddysQtrs folds.
fishbone888 is all-In [902]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, Kd, 7c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
fishbone888 shows [ Ah, Ad ] three of a kind, aces.
P0t_Commit3d shows [ 6s, Ks ] a pair of kings.
P0t_Commit3d wins 2478 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
fishbone888 wins 2979 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, aces.
Game #2853204933 starts.

Can you explain what you were thinking here??!?!

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I am thinking that the better has shown me he is afraid of me and bubbling out. He is going to fold anything but a monster. I also felt he understood the value of stealing, and would attempt it in this spot perhaps to test me.

He had a monster. I was still in great shape to steal chips after a loss.

Perhaps this is no good at the 11s period. I felt my read was solid though. Perhaps this play is no good anywhere.

I very well may overplay my bigstack, but I am fairly certain that I have shown down the best pockects every single time I push preflop and get called. I have a tight image, and the image of someone that wins SDs.

[bluef0x]

[ QUOTE ]
I also felt he understood the value of stealing, and would attempt it in this spot perhaps to test me.

[/ QUOTE ]

If he was stealing I think he would have pushed all-in, that raise is VERY fishy for him. Sure, your image is good with all the monsters that you had but that doesn't change the fact that others can have 'em too.

[Gomez22]

From 35064 (Game 2853170583)

I think I 1/2 pot the flop. You have a very vulnerable overpair to a co-ordinated flop. I don't think checking the flop is absolutely terrible, but it's not good. When you check the flop and the turn is somewhat safe(not completing any draws), you MUST bet the turn.

(As a sidenote, I usually fold all pairs below TT in the first 3 levels.... just my preference in Party SNGs with T800 starting stacks).

Once you lost qith AK vs. AT, I saw a spot where I would have pushed if I were in your situation.... game #2853199682 with Q9o. UTG with blinds of 75/150 and only T285 in chips, you HAVE to do something before the blinds eat over 50% of your stack and you're dead. Better to go out fighting than being blinded off, and as we can see, you got a worse hand in the BB where you had no choice but to call.




FROM 35240:

Game #2853175185 - I like the fold with AQo from EP... too early to gamble and get cute.

Game #2853196888: This is a spot where I completely agree with pushing AK, as compared to some replies I made to various posts about folding it yesterday. Here, you have terrible position throughout the rest of the hand and only have 14.5 BBs left.... only options are push or fold, and IMO, a push here is the best play (mostly due to position and the fact that the pot was min-raised, which seems to me to constitute relative weakness a majority of the time). Well played.

Game #2853199056 - I don't think I agree with a push here with KK. You don't want to isolate here or buy it as much as you'd like to somehow get that larger stack to put more chips into the pot. I would re-raise to somewhere around 450. Only 1 large stack who min-raised in front of you... the rest of the players left to act are somwhat smaller stacks, and you'd love to get someone to call here holding KK. Pushing here is really not getting any value for your hand.

Game #2853201024 - Depending on how the BB in this hand plays (or how I view his play) I'm either going to complete here with QT, or raise it to 250-300. If he's loose, and likes to gamble, I will call, if he's tight, I will raise, but I think folding here is a touch on the -EV side.

Game #2853204629 - Someone who's raising 1/3 of their stack isn't going to fold to a push in my experience on the bubble. It was sloppy play by your opponent, but I think your re-raise was as bad. K-little is not a hand I ever like to get involved with unless I'm HU with a nice lead, or it's going to cost me roughly 10% or less of my stack to get involved late in a SNG, especially PF. Even if your opp. didn't have the hand that he had, I think your fold equity here is VERY small, if at all. Muck K-little to these types of plays from now on.

GAME #2843214273 - Push this PF. Make sure your opp knows he's gong to play for all of his chips. If he chooses to do so with J8s, so be it.... I rarely just raise in a HU situation with the combined blinds representing close to 10% of the total chips in play. If stacks were deeper in relation to the blinds, I can see raising, but not at this point.




These 2 HH's were the only one's that I checked, but overall, I tihnk (from the small bit I saw) that you need to use your first in vigorish when short stacked and watch your re-raises with marginal hands, especially when in the blinds.

[Gomez22]

I also replied in my original reply about this hand, and as I said in there, raising 1/3 of your stack while on the bubble is very suspicious. It's either a monster or trash, and since you also hold trash, there is no reason to get involved in any way, shape, or form here.....

There are 2 reasons that I can think of for this type of raise:

1. The raiser WANTS a call

2. The raiser is a thinking player who has a crappy to marginal hand, and knows that both blinds are also thinking players, who will think that he is raising such a small amount to get a call, and therefore fold their hands. Most $10 SNG players do NOT think at this level, and prolly never will.

Of these 2 reasons, I rule out reason 2 pretty quickly..... that leaves reason 1. Just food for thought.

[AA suited]

#Game No : 2853200611
***** Hand History for Game 2853200611 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16456145 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Friday, October 14, 15:54:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 35240 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: P0t_Commit3d ( $2540 )
Seat 4: swebear ( $686 )
Seat 1: fishbone888 ( $1127 )
Seat 9: DaddysQtrs ( $2107 )
Seat 2: Olger ( $1540 )
Trny:16456145 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P0t_Commit3d [ 7h Ah ]
>You have options at Table 35241 Table!.
swebear folds.
>You have options at Table 35055 Table!.
DaddysQtrs folds.
fishbone888 calls [100].
Olger folds.
P0t_Commit3d checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 7c, Qs ]
P0t_Commit3d checks.
fishbone888 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
P0t_Commit3d bets [125].
fishbone888 folds.
P0t_Commit3d does not show cards.
P0t_Commit3d wins 375 chips

With no reads, I would have pushed preflop.

the downside is that you take a hit on your table image. and be VERY wary when ANYONE limps next time you are bb.

[stupidsucker]

[ QUOTE ]
#Game No : 2853200611
***** Hand History for Game 2853200611 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:16456145 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Friday, October 14, 15:54:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 35240 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 3: P0t_Commit3d ( $2540 )
Seat 4: swebear ( $686 )
Seat 1: fishbone888 ( $1127 )
Seat 9: DaddysQtrs ( $2107 )
Seat 2: Olger ( $1540 )
Trny:16456145 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P0t_Commit3d [ 7h Ah ]
>You have options at Table 35241 Table!.
swebear folds.
>You have options at Table 35055 Table!.
DaddysQtrs folds.
fishbone888 calls [100].
Olger folds.
P0t_Commit3d checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 7c, Qs ]
P0t_Commit3d checks.
fishbone888 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
P0t_Commit3d bets [125].
fishbone888 folds.
P0t_Commit3d does not show cards.
P0t_Commit3d wins 375 chips

With no reads, I would have pushed preflop.

the downside is that you take a hit on your table image. and be VERY wary when ANYONE limps next time you are bb.

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I remember this hand... I had a pretty accurate read on this fellow. I put him on a middle pair. I felt I could outplay him on the flop with minimal risk. BUT if I get crazy now with him it ruins my image for what I am about to do (and did).

It has been said that the K is terrible for me, but I think it is just as terrible for him.