Interesting flop decision, Super Tuesday - Page 3

#21 08-03-2005, 04:44 PM

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If I'm wrong, I get stacked, but that happens right now, anyway. If I'm right, he's going to bluff a lot on the turn with 7 outs. I just don't see why betting AK off his hand as a big favorite is a good idea.

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Due to the pot size I push here 100% of the time. If he does have TT,QQ,KK,AA you're losing anyway (are you going to fold on the turn/river??)

adanthar · #22 08-03-2005, 04:45 PM

Nope, I'm not folding at any point once he checks.

But since I'm staying in, why not get some value out of AK?

Pat Southern · #23 08-03-2005, 04:54 PM

If I get to the flop, I'm checking 100% of the time here. If you're ahead you only have to fear 2 or 3 outs.

locutus2002 · #24 08-03-2005, 04:59 PM

3-ways its hard to believe everyone doesn't have a little something on the flop. Why give both players a free card, if you want to keep AK, give him good implied odds with a small bet like T330. I wouldn't let EP opener have a free card.

I think checking here negatively affects your image. It shows that if they call your raise you are likely to give free cards. This is fine if you raise with strong hands, but if you steal alot with lower holdings, it encourages players to call with marginal hands. Of course this is a huge generalization, boiled down to one instance, and is very player specific.

schwza · #25 08-03-2005, 05:19 PM

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If I get to the flop, I'm checking 100% of the time here. If you're ahead you only have to fear 2 or 3 outs.

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AK is his most likely miss hand, and it has 7 outs.

Pat Southern · #26 08-03-2005, 05:20 PM

Wow, I'm stupid, then I guess I push, but I feel dirty about it. I really think this is a fold preflop to the reraise, reverse implied odds suck.

schwza · #27 08-03-2005, 05:25 PM

i would definitely consider folding to the 3-bet. there is basically no flop that makes you happy, and a lot of flops that make lose your stack (not to mention the ones that make you fold and give up the pot to a hand that also missed).

i know it's exploitable to fold to little 3-bets, but i see AA in that spot too often for me to want to play.

Roman · #28 08-03-2005, 05:31 PM

I fold preflop... KQ is such a terrible hand to call reraises with, I really dont care if im getting 5:1. I would need insane pot odds and/or deep stacks to ever make that call.

If I called though, I would make a bet of either ~400 or all in depending on my oponnents. You cant check behind here and let 2 ppl get free cards.

adanthar · #29 08-03-2005, 05:37 PM

OK, again: AK has seven outs and I know exactly when I should fold to him when they come in. The donk isn't a factor at all (he may have a gutshot or something but most of the things that hit his hand also hit AK. I certainly have him beat now BTW, he's terrible.)

I suppose I get the opposition to the PF call but I really don't understand why I want to push here.

danger_mouse · #30 08-03-2005, 05:42 PM

Well, first off, I really doubt you're against AK if the player is reasonable. What reasonable player min-raises with AK in SB against a caller and a raiser? Sounds like a pot-build/isolation raise. I really don't think you need to call pre-flop here. Like someone said, what flops are you really going to like?

After you see this flop, you pretty much need to get all your money in. It's WAY too draw heavy. Sure I can see the reasoning behind letting AK bet into you on the turn, but I don't think it is worth the risk that the donk called with J10s.