AJo UTG, I get 3-bet - is this line OK?

7ontheline · #1 05-01-2005, 05:55 PM

I used this line without too much thinking while I was playing, but looking back I'm not sure it was such a good idea. No read on opponent, I just sat down and only played 1 orbit so far.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises. . .intending to fold to a 3-bet. Good? Bad?

marsvolta619 · #2 05-01-2005, 06:12 PM

Would raising the turn and taking a free showdown be too weak of a play here? He could have KK or a weaker PP, but with no reads I dunno.

Michael Davis · #3 05-01-2005, 06:14 PM

I don't think there's any realistic value in the river raise. There's only one worse hand he's paying off with and a lot he's threebetting or calling & winning with.

-Michael

7ontheline · #4 05-01-2005, 06:22 PM

You're probably right - I suppose this also depends on what you think an unknown Party 5/10 6 max will
1) 3-bet out of the BB with
and
2) call a river raise with given the board.

Certainly I would think AA-JJ (maybe lower also) would 3 bet me. I beat half of those, and AA is pretty unlikely here because there's only 2 aces left. AK, AQ, maybe AJ? I'm pretty crushed there. How about KQ, KJ, or even QJ? I'm ahead of those, and probably only KJ folds here. I find that people at 5/10 are pretty eager to pay you off most of the time. I dunno, maybe it's pretty close - what if you knew the opponent was kind of, but not extremely LAG? (since I would probably never fold this against a LAG).

7ontheline · #5 05-01-2005, 10:55 PM

I'm just gonna bump this once because a lot of people seem to be on the forum right now. . .

FWIW, while the guy was betting I really felt like he didn't have an ace. Still, I couldn't be sure. So do other people think my river raise is spewing?

krishanleong · #6 05-01-2005, 11:05 PM

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I'm just gonna bump this once because a lot of people seem to be on the forum right now. . .

FWIW, while the guy was betting I really felt like he didn't have an ace. Still, I couldn't be sure. So do other people think my river raise is spewing?

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I hate it. Just call down. What is the range of hands that he would 3-bet with? You need to have an answer to that question when you consider your line.

Krishan

7ontheline · #7 05-01-2005, 11:16 PM

Well, he's an unknown, and I just sat down. I tend to not give 5/10 players much credit as a default play. Still. . .I think you're right. This probably isn't a +EV play, especially since I was UTG.

sthief09 · #8 05-01-2005, 11:29 PM

he's probably not betting the river with a hand you beat, and if he is, he won't pay off a raise

mperich · #9 05-01-2005, 11:30 PM

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I hate it. Just call down. What is the range of hands that he would 3-bet with? You need to have an answer to that question when you consider your line.

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This is so easy. I just read Krishans posts and quote them.

-Mike

7ontheline · #10 05-01-2005, 11:39 PM

Yeah, yeah - I'm an idiot. Anyway, for some reason I had a very strong sense that he didn't have an ace - maybe by the timing of his betting? Anyway, he had KK and MHIG, which just goes to show that I'm stupid, but lucky.