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Old 03-08-2005, 08:01 PM
gvibes gvibes is offline
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Default KJo hand - Flop decision

MP3 was real bad, pretty LAG, would overplay weak made hands
CO was almost all in, and not particularly good
SB was a typical LAP, if there is such a thing

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB calls, Hero ????

How bad was the preflop call???
I checked the flop with the intent of raising a LP bet.

Fold, call, or 3-bet here?
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Old 03-08-2005, 08:08 PM
cold_cash cold_cash is offline
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Default Re: KJo hand - Flop decision

With your reads and the CO almost all-in I think should 3-bet.
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Old 03-08-2005, 08:14 PM
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Default Re: KJo hand - Flop decision

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How bad was the preflop call???
I checked the flop with the intent of raising a LP bet.



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Fold PF

If your reads are right though, contine with you thought of CR'ing two LAGS who will overplay their hands.

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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Old 03-08-2005, 08:40 PM
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Default Re: KJo hand - Flop decision

Fold KJo for one more bet from the BB? Against a bad, almost all-in raiser? Is it that weak of a hand?
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Old 03-08-2005, 08:44 PM
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Default Re: KJo hand - Flop decision

I can't stay out of a big pot like that with KJ.
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Old 03-08-2005, 09:36 PM
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Default Re: KJo hand - Flop decision

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MP3 was real bad, pretty LAG, would overplay weak made hands

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What exactly is a weak made hand?
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Old 03-08-2005, 10:01 PM
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Default Re: KJo hand - Flop decision

That's what I thought. I knew I chickened out.

My preflop decision was influenced by my reads (basically, KJo isn't in bad shape against CO's likely raising hands, and SB's cold-calling hands), but for some reason I chickened out on the flop, and folded. It turned out that my reads were pretty much right on... In particular, note MP3 "pumping" his inside straight draw.
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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB calls, Hero folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, CO calls $1 (All-In), SB folds.

River: (10 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP3 has Td 9h (two pair, tens and nines).
CO has Kd Ad (high card, ace).
Outcome: MP3 wins 10 BB. </font>
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Old 03-08-2005, 10:03 PM
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Default Re: KJo hand - Flop decision

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MP3 was real bad, pretty LAG, would overplay weak made hands

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What exactly is a weak made hand?

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Like, top pair, weak kicker, or middle pair, high kicker. He'll 3-bet/cap those sort of hands.

EDIT: Or two pair on a board with 4 to a flush or straight.
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Old 03-08-2005, 11:32 PM
Harv72b Harv72b is offline
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Default Re: KJo hand - Flop decision

I find that the game becomes much easier when you just ignore anything that a poor, short-stacked opponent does. Focus instead on the poor opponent(s) who are still in the hand with you, and extract the maximum from them in the side pot on the off chance that the all-in really does have you beat.

And .50/1 hands kinda do belong in microlimits. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 03-08-2005, 11:38 PM
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Default Re: KJo hand - Flop decision

Wrong Forum
Fold Preflop
Make it 3 now.
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